USADA - Armstrong

[Northern rider]

Is there a way for non-Twitter users to see the text of this exchange?

You don't need to be a twitter user to see people's tweet stream. I occasionally have a browse of people like the UCI Overlord who can be quite humorous. It can be tricky to follow a conversation though, such as it is.

alternatively, read an abridged summary here
http://150wattsofawesome.blogspot.co.uk/

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Whatever dude. One guy covered up using a chemical in a dirty sport. The other one said nothing and allowed a extremely sick man to fυck 10's if not 100's kids in his team's shower.

Thanks for admitting that Lance doped. Carry on with the "everyone else did defense" though I don't think the USADA cares too much about the protestation.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

You don't need to be a twitter user to see people's tweet stream. I occasionally have a browse of people like the UCI Overlord who can be quite humorous. It can be tricky to follow a conversation though, such as it is.

alternatively, read an abridged summary here
http://150wattsofawesome.blogspot.co.uk/

Yea, but her summary leaves out some content...specifically, most of my retorts to his final tweets.

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Thanks for admitting that Lance doped. Carry on with the "everyone else did defense" though I don't think the USADA cares too much about the protestation.

I don't think I ever said that Lance did not dope and yes he had the best dope on the market. Just that I was getting tired of all of this prosecution (at the expense of US Taxpayers) of baseball players and cyclists that are being treated as criminals when they are purely products of their sports and their sports made record profits off of them. I think it would be interesting to see Bud Selig and Hein Verbruggen have to take the stand and fight for their freedom and have to explain why they allowed all of this to happen unhindered.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I don't think I ever said that Lance did not dope and yes he had the best dope on the market. Just that I was getting tired of all of this prosecution (at the expense of US Taxpayers) of baseball players and cyclists that are being treated as criminals when they are purely products of their sports and their sports made record profits off of them. I think it would be interesting to see Bud Selig and Hein Verbruggen have to take the stand and fight for their freedom and have to explain why they allowed all of this to happen unhindered.

Doping is not "purely a product of their sports." It is a personal decision to forgo ethical behavior and cheat. Nobody is perfect, and the temptation must be beyond great. None of that excuses Lance's actions in relation to his choice. But again, you conveniently forget that the investigation is not JUST about some failed test. This is the most comprehensive set of charges ever brought by a body charged with policing doping. This includes the sources of doping products, the doctors who aided them in doping and masking, and the DS who pushed the drugs on his team. You need to make this about Lance so that you can sweep reality under the rug. The USADA isn't doing that, and they should be commended.

As for seeing Hein take a fall, I don't think anyone here would disagree, the thing you have to answer is why you think he is the only one who should face the consequences of his actions. His lies are no worse than anyone else named in the letter from the USADA, but evidently they didn't have any evidence he did anything wrong. I hope that will change.

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Doping is not "purely a product of their sports." It is a personal decision to forgo ethical behavior and cheat.

When more than 80% of the peloton could have been caught for something the early 2000's it is a product/major problem in the sport. The same can be said for all of the great power hitters in baseball during the same time period. If we face facts, these riders knew it was either drink the coolaid or retire. Then it turned into an arms race.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

When more than 80% of the peloton could have been caught for something the early 2000's it is a product/major problem in the sport. The same can be said for all of the great power hitters in baseball during the same time period. If we face facts, these riders knew it was either drink the coolaid or retire. Then it turned into an arms race.

Sorry, but personal responsibility is a lesson people like you and Lance need to learn. Your ideas do nothing but perpetuate all kinds of unethical behavior. Stop being part of the problem.

 

[El Oso]

Back on topic, Armstrong and the others have until July 9 to respond to USADA and state whether they request a hearing. Does anyone know if this is a simple one-sentence statement they provide, or will we see another 12 page letter from Luskin?

I would expect another long winded letter from Luskin ... he could always use the billable hours

 

[Deagol]

You don't need to be a twitter user to see people's tweet stream. I occasionally have a browse of people like the UCI Overlord who can be quite humorous. It can be tricky to follow a conversation though, such as it is.

alternatively, read an abridged summary here
http://150wattsofawesome.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks...

Wow, unreal.

 

[MarkvW]

I don't think I ever said that Lance did not dope and yes he had the best dope on the market. Just that I was getting tired of all of this prosecution (at the expense of US Taxpayers) of baseball players and cyclists that are being treated as criminals when they are purely products of their sports and their sports made record profits off of them. I think it would be interesting to see Bud Selig and Hein Verbruggen have to take the stand and fight for their freedom and have to explain why they allowed all of this to happen unhindered.

The feds might still be able to recover money (a lot of it) from the qui tam action. They shouldn't just pass on that opportunity without a full investigation. After all, he did rip his sponsor off by doping to win multiple tours.

And Lance is not being prosecuted--he's just going through the antidoping process of his sport.

The remainder of your post is interesting. It looks like a chicken and egg problem to me. The sporting execs knowingly.exploit the willingness of the athlete to cheat. Some should be prosecuted, I suspect. But proof is always the problem.

 

[joe_papp]

Back on topic, Armstrong and the others have until July 9 to respond to USADA and state whether they request a hearing. Does anyone know if this is a simple one-sentence statement they provide, or will we see another 12 page letter from Luskin?

Technically it can be accomplished as you suggest, w/ a one-sentence response: "I choose to contest the finding of the Review Board and request an arbitration hearing."

 

[Clemson Cycling]

The feds might still be able to recover money (a lot of it) from the qui tam action. They shouldn't just pass on that opportunity without a full investigation. After all, he did rip his sponsor off by doping to win multiple tours

Could they also go after other members of the team as well then. Most of the guys from this crew have admitted to some forms of doping and then it probably gets interesting when they would go after other internationals.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Could they also go after other members of the team as well then. Most of the guys from this crew have admitted to some forms of doping and then it probably gets interesting when they would go after other internationals.

Armstrong was not just a member of the team - he was a part owner of it.

 

[MarkvW]

Could they also go after other members of the team as well then. Most of the guys from this crew have admitted to some forms of doping and then it probably gets interesting when they would go after other internationals.

Lance has the deep pockets. If they get a judgment against Lance, they can get paid. No good reason to bother with the others. Besides, they're witnesses. A qui tam is all about recovering money, not punishment.

 

[thehog]

I hope that the USADA reconsiders its position and inquest. Certainly the money could be spent in more useful pursuits such as cancer research. I believe that in this instance it is an old story without any credible substantiation despite millions of dollars being spent to arrive at a different result. With such an advocate as Lance though, there is the ability to put the disease in the forefront, and that's what could be lost should the USADA's reckless witch hunt continue. Seriously, enough is enough already, let us actually win the war on cancer begun so many years ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-agin/lance-armstrong-foundation-scandal-_b_1643726.html

 

[labratty]

Is there a way for non-Twitter users to see the text of this exchange?

Go to https://twitter.com/#!/search/@ChewbaccaD

you can 'view conversation' on the sequences that were replied to rather than just tweeted. Other than that it is a long search result list

ratty

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

From article: "I hope that the USADA reconsiders its position and inquest. Certainly the money could be spent in more useful pursuits such as cancer research."

More of the usual comedy in the linked "article". How about LAF, which has far greater resources than USADA, put some of it's funds towards cancer research? According to a recent post in the Clinic, LAF currently does zero funding toward research.

From article: "With such an advocate as Lance though, there is the ability to put the disease in the forefront, and that's what could be lost should the USADA's reckless witch hunt continue."

It's reassuring to know that LA helped the world to learn about cancer, otherwise everyone might have just forgotten about it somewhere along the way. Cancer in all its forms is a horrible ailment, and very deserving of funding for research, but there are also many other ailments and diseases that are deserving of their measure of funding too. They all need awareness and attention. It shouldn't be a competition to put one at the forefront to the exclusion of others.

I'm preaching to the choir though.

 

[D-Queued]

I hope that the USADA reconsiders its position and inquest. Certainly the money could be spent in more useful pursuits such as cancer research. I believe that in this instance it is an old story without any credible substantiation despite millions of dollars being spent to arrive at a different result. With such an advocate as Lance though, there is the ability to put the disease in the forefront, and that's what could be lost should the USADA's reckless witch hunt continue. Seriously, enough is enough already, let us actually win the war on cancer begun so many years ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-agin/lance-armstrong-foundation-scandal-_b_1643726.html

Love it

"Little has been done by the USADA to allow due process to apply to the investigation.'

In that case, the author should not have any worry. Lance can simply move to dismiss the case on lack of due process.

Doesn't the USADA know that you can't just point a finger and yell, "Doper, doper"?

It is not as though the evidence has been accumulated over more than a decade, or that the USADA has been following any sort of agonizingly slow systematic process.

Dave.

 

[ChrisE]

You don't need to be a twitter user to see people's tweet stream. I occasionally have a browse of people like the UCI Overlord who can be quite humorous. It can be tricky to follow a conversation though, such as it is.

alternatively, read an abridged summary here
http://150wattsofawesome.blogspot.co.uk/

Ahh, this Anna chick puts it all in perspective.

When internet gnats run around for years slagging your name online, it should be beneath the celebrity being slagged to respond. "How dare Lance stoop to our pathetically childish hate/jealousy fueled level" lol. Yes indeed. I think she has inadvertantly hit the nail on the head.

She goes on to say LA should not feed the trolls.

 

[PotentialPro]

Perhaps with this twitter exchange, and other recent examples he is preparing his insanity defense?

Ahh, this Anna chick puts it all in perspective.

When internet gnats run around for years slagging your name online, it should be beneath the celebrity being slagged to respond. "How dare Lance stoop to our pathetically childish hate/jealousy fueled level" lol. Yes indeed. I think she has inadvertantly hit the nail on the head.

She goes on to say LA should not feed the trolls. TFF trolling? No way. "Cancer Jesus" is a perfectly acceptable way to label LA that will promote healthy conversation.

This twitter conversation really displays who the azzhole here is in terms of LA vs the typical clinic denizen. It is obvious LA is the azzhole for engaging someone using such benign language about his person. What an azz!!!

 

[MarkvW]

Love it

"Little has been done by the USADA to allow due process to apply to the investigation.'

In that case, the author should not have any worry. Lance can simply move to dismiss the case on lack of due process.

Doesn't the USADA know that you can't just point a finger and yell, "Doper, doper"?

It is not as though the evidence has been accumulated over more than a decade, or that the USADA has been following any sort of agonizingly slow systematic process.

Dave.

I miss the guy's point. Why can't Lance be both a cancer icon AND a doped and banned athlete?

 

[rhubroma]

Ahh, this Anna chick puts it all in perspective.

When internet gnats run around for years slagging your name online, it should be beneath the celebrity being slagged to respond. "How dare Lance stoop to our pathetically childish hate/jealousy fueled level" lol. Yes indeed. I think she has inadvertantly hit the nail on the head.

She goes on to say LA should not feed the trolls. TFF trolling? No way. "Cancer Jesus" is a perfectly acceptable way to label LA that will promote healthy conversation.

This twitter conversation really displays who the azzhole here is in terms of LA vs the typical clinic denizen. It is obvious LA is the azzhole for engaging someone using such benign language about his person. What an azz!!!

Though when one has made a killing on the public as a forthright knight, then one must deal with the public scrutiny when one has not been. Other than the typical clinic denizen. An azz indeed.

 

[ChrisE]

Though when one has made a killing on the public as a forthright knight, then one must deal with the public scrutiny when one has not been. Other than the typical clinic denizen. An azz indeed.

Of course. Running around twitter calling him "Cancer Jesus" is a perfectly acceptable way to put LA in his place. Who said two wrongs don't make a right? This is all justifiable retribution, and to top it all off LA proved how bad of a person he is by responding.

 

[MarkvW]

Of course. Running around twitter calling him "Cancer Jesus" is a perfectly acceptable way to put LA in his place. Who said two wrongs don't make a right? This is all justifiable retribution, and to top it all off LA proved how bad of a person he is by responding.

I thought "Cancer Jesus" was really descriptive! I wish I'd thought that up.

The rest was just a profane troll attacking a "famous person," and the famous person egging the troll on to more and more aggressively profane statements. the exchange discredited both men.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Wow, never been in a twitter fight with someone famous before...

That he feels the need to try to fight back against me is further proof of just how much of a self absorbed *** he is. He fights them all so that he doesn't have to tell the truth. Fortunately, it looks like the USADA has the truth anyway, and all of his bullying and lying will be exposed...that is if he doesn't find a way to buy or bully his way out of it.

I haven't found the time to read the exchange yet TFF....but just remember being 'famous' doesn't make any difference. Just a person----and not even a decent one.