USADA - Armstrong

[BotanyBay]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...doping-agency-dealings-probe-article-1.200538

It's totally on.

 

[andy1234]

Trace backwards. Report back

As you are being obtuse, I can only guess at your point.
Are you suggesting Armstrong's problems are a result of him not believing in God?

 

[thehog]

I pretty much agree with this.

I’d also say it’s on script but somewhat delusional. I understand legally he can’t admit but banking on support from his supporters/followers could certainly backfire from a perception perspective. It’s a dangerous strategy when(if) more damming evidence comes into the public domain.

 

[WinterRider]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...doping-agency-dealings-probe-article-1.200538

It's totally on.

A classic! I love this quote:

"This illustrates that this is a ridiculous use of tax dollars to regulate a sport, especially one that is almost entirely European."

However this article is 2 years old.

 

[Maxiton]

I’d also say it’s on script but somewhat delusional. I understand legally he can’t admit but banking on support from his supporters/followers could certainly backfire from a perception perspective. It’s a dangerous strategy when(if) more damming evidence comes into the public domain.

His many fans are a big asset for him. He'd be a fool not to try to leverage them. Sure, there'll be hell to pay later, when it doesn't work, but then it won't matter anyway.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I think this sums up 99.999999999% of the public's opinion about this matter.


"Don't care."


But all of the people posting on the forum with their moral high ground and perfect lives they live will continue on, wishing they were something they weren't.

Carry on Joe Papp and the likes.

I don't think anyone on this forum has ever admitted to having perfect lives or never making mistakes...I do admit to having moral high ground though.

You are wrong on most points here.....speaking for myself, I do not 'wish I was something I'm not' and this is just some sort of inflammatory blather....

And lastly, I would appreciate not being lumped in with Joe Papp.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I’d also say it’s on script but somewhat delusional. I understand legally he can’t admit but banking on support from his supporters/followers could certainly backfire from a perception perspective. It’s a dangerous strategy when(if) more damming evidence comes into the public domain.

I've mentioned elsewhere that they can't get rid of USADA either. The IOC needs it to give some legitimacy to the performances seen during their show. The UCI can't complain either, because then the credibility of the IOC comes into question.

USADA's case is a good development, but just like the Friday evening end to the Federal investigation, there are lots of ways for this to close as quickly without any explanation from USADA required.

Wonderboy's team has some time to intimidate witnesses too. Like that's never happened before...

 

[thehog]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...doping-agency-dealings-probe-article-1.200538

It's totally on.

"The biggest problem is that it is against the law for any private party to offer anything in exchange for testimony," Herman told the Daily News. "This illustrates that this is a ridiculous use of tax dollars to regulate a sport, especially one that is almost entirely European."

 

[WinterRider]

I’d also say it’s on script but somewhat delusional. I understand legally he can’t admit but banking on support from his supporters/followers could certainly backfire from a perception perspective. It’s a dangerous strategy when(if) more damming evidence comes into the public domain.

I think it's the only strategy that can work for him. There are people out there who will believe in him no matter what because they have invested so much in it already. These are the types of people who will believe him even more for every piece of evidence they are shown.

Anyone who can be swayed by the evidence will be, and they are lost to Lance regardless, but by giving his believers plausible deniability through the theory of unjust persecution, he can continue to monetize these people through livestrong, and keep the gravy train running for years to come.

Really he's got nothing to lose with this strategy. The only requirement is to keep up a string of very public messages supporting his view, but when it comes to the legal proceedings keep as much as possible behind closed doors. The most likely optimal outcome for Lance is that he has everything stripped, but none of the evidence used is presented to the public from an official source, allowing his followers to continue crying foul for years to come.

The whole debacle might even be good for his bottom line. As the old saying goes, "There's no such thing as bad publicity."

 

[Race Radio]

Armstrong has retained expensive PR people and he knew that there was a strong possibility that USADA would be coming after him. He even talked about that in the recent article.

My assumption is that Armstrong had a PR contingency plan for when the USADA charges were brought. The PR people always preach advance planning and 'staying ahead of the curve.'

If the contingency plan was nonparticipation in the USADA proceedings, then why didn't Lance make the big 'I'm outta here' statement earlier? If he's going to stay aloof, it would make tons more sense for him to get his message out quickly and start being aloof, rather than unnecessarily prolonging the media drama.

And if Lance was going to fight, then why hasn't he sounded off with the defiant "'I'm coming at you with everything I've got!"

Lance has no message. Saying that he's "weighing his options" is not good PR. EVERYTHING that has happened thus far is something that could easily be anticipated and planned for. If there is a contingency plan (and for the money that Lance was paying, there ought to have been many contingency plans covering all the possibilities), then Lance is not following it.

It does seem possible that Lance is 'off script' right now.

He did not come out earlier because he thought he could use the political/harassment/threats route to stop it. When he figure out that that avenue wold not work he tried the "I'm taking my ball and going home" route followed by an leak.

The wheels are coming of the bus

 

[mewmewmew13]

I think he is very much on script. My sense is that USADA probably have an airtight case and he knows it. If this is true, then his only chance is to muddy the waters of public perception as much as possible to keep his machine running.

Again, assuming USADA has a good case, there will be a ruling, and it will be against him. If he knows this, then his only game plan is to get people doubting the verdict he knows is coming.

And if you look at all their communication thus far, that is exactly what they are doing. I think they have had this scripted for months. Every tweet he makes on the subject was written months ago, and is being tweeted as part of the overall plan. Or at least that's my reading of the whole sordid affair.

You can see this clearly by the frantic attempts of all the Lance supporters and interns on this forum to vilify and discredit the USADA now. They need to spread the doubt and 'impropriety'.

All part of the plan

 

[thehog]

I think it's the only strategy that can work for him. There are people out there who will believe in him no matter what because they have invested so much in it already. These are the types of people who will believe him even more for every piece of evidence they are shown.

Anyone who can be swayed by the evidence will be, and they are lost to Lance regardless, but by giving his believers plausible deniability through the theory of unjust persecution, he can continue to monetize these people through livestrong, and keep the gravy train running for years to come.

Really he's got nothing to lose with this strategy. The only requirement is to keep up a string of very public messages supporting his view, but when it comes to the legal proceedings keep as much as possible behind closed doors. The most likely optimal outcome for Lance is that he has everything stripped, but none of the evidence used is presented to the public from an official source, allowing his followers to continue crying foul for years to come.

The whole debacle might even be good for his bottom line. As the old saying goes, "There's no such thing as bad publicity."

He has one other problem. It’s going to look a lot worse in time when “recordings” and other such things come to light. I understand why he would leverage the fans but he preying on the emotional aspect of the investigation. It’s fairly cruel when you think about what he’s doing. If you read some of the comments on Twitter people are supporting him but saying things like “I hope you’re telling the truth Lance but I believe in you”. When they find out he’s not then they’ll feel cheated beyond just the fact that he doped. Its slimy stuff but nothing surprises me in what he attempts to do. I can only hope a close friend or family member has a word with him because it’s not very nice to watch.

 

[MacRoadie]

You can see this clearly by the frantic attempts of all the Lance supporters and interns on this forum to vilify and discredit the USADA now. They need to spread the doubt and 'impropriety'.

All part of the plan

Somewhere Greg is saying to himself "Hey, I thought I was the embodiment of all evil"...

 

[ElChingon]

A classic! I love this quote:

"This illustrates that this is a ridiculous use of tax dollars to regulate a sport, especially one that is almost entirely European."

However this article is 2 years old.

Almost, yet there are USA based sponsors and other money generating enterprises in the USA... for an almost entirely European sport, where are all the raise cycling awareness in the USA promoters.

 

[cleanmarine]

He has one other problem. It’s going to look a lot worse in time when “recordings” and other such things come to light. I understand why he would leverage the fans but he preying on the emotional aspect of the investigation. It’s fairly cruel when you think about what he’s doing. If you read some of the comments on Twitter people are supporting him but saying things like “I hope you’re telling the truth Lance but I believe in you”. When they find out he’s not then they’ll feel cheated beyond just the fact that he doped. Its slimy stuff but nothing surprises me in what he attempts to do. I can only hope a close friend or family member has a word with him because it’s not very nice to watch.

There is no one to help him now. He has only surrounded himself by enablers, leeches, and felons. Birds of a feather

 

[PotentialPro]

Armstrong has retained expensive PR people and he knew that there was a strong possibility that USADA would be coming after him. He even talked about that in the recent article.

My assumption is that Armstrong had a PR contingency plan for when the USADA charges were brought. The PR people always preach advance planning and 'staying ahead of the curve.'

If the contingency plan was nonparticipation in the USADA proceedings, then why didn't Lance make the big 'I'm outta here' statement earlier? If he's going to stay aloof, it would make tons more sense for him to get his message out quickly and start being aloof, rather than unnecessarily prolonging the media drama.

And if Lance was going to fight, then why hasn't he sounded off with the defiant "'I'm coming at you with everything I've got!"

Lance has no message. Saying that he's "weighing his options" is not good PR. EVERYTHING that has happened thus far is something that could easily be anticipated and planned for. If there is a contingency plan (and for the money that Lance was paying, there ought to have been many contingency plans covering all the possibilities), then Lance is not following it.

It does seem possible that Lance is 'off script' right now.

It does appear that way. However another scenario is the too many cooks situation. Lawyers saying one thing, PR saying another. Is he a good enough actor to pull any of that off? Also, is there a proper way to act in regards to this, besides the obvious that we all would like: an admittance?

This is a fairly unique situation. Legally speaking that is, when have we seen this happen other than a handful of times? With those examples, like Bonds and Jones, legally instructing the defendant was trying at best, as is with Armstrong. Nobody wants to admit guilt. This is quite a situation to walk through.

So- no wonder he seems to be off script, or perhaps he is being misguided.

 

[cleanmarine]

Never underestimate the powers of false idols. Devil comes in pleasing disguises.

 

[mikkemus23]

Lol at Horner making the TdF team short time after he liked LA`s credibility

 

[my username is flish]

... he tried the "I'm taking my ball and going home" route...

Lol, this could be taken literally

 

[cleanmarine]

Lol, this could be taken literally

Would that be an eight "ball" to the Austin strip club? Remember those events?

 

[Oldman]

As you are being obtuse, I can only guess at your point.
Are you suggesting Armstrong's problems are a result of him not believing in God?[/QUOTE]

Armstrong's problem is he believes he is...

 

[perfessor]

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

It's a classic breakup story (Lennon/McCartney?) There had to be another big personality involved; it had to be Floyd, the other accusers were to easy to ignore.

 

[cleanmarine]

As you are being obtuse, I can only guess at your point.
Are you suggesting Armstrong's problems are a result of him not believing in God?[/QUOTE]

Armstrong's problem is he believes he is...

Nice Oldman. A brilliant manuver completed. The ignorant continue to walk in their own minefields.

 

[Oldman]

No thank you.

I am going to leave this thread alone as it appears that I am only being baited and flamed by people who have their minds made up.

I thought I heard the recess bell ring...

 

[andy1234]

Nice Oldman. A brilliant manuver completed. The ignorant continue to walk in their own minefields.

Are you going to answer my question?