USADA - Armstrong

[the big ring]

but what if LA's saying: "you're only scratching the surface. wanna hear the real story? the story behind the story?". Would you decline?

If I was a single, small of stature female, and (assuming) not permitted to bring a "friend": yes.

 

[Microchip]

 

[Maxiton]

That would presume he can recognize the truth/facts from the fan fiction that's been created. The criminal aspects of it all would be enormous. Not going to happen.

Let's use the sociopath model for a minute. Whatever has gone on between the two of them, Wonderboy is finding the way onto this blogger's credibility ladder.

Her reflexive defense of Froome/Wiggo, and especially her Schleck love, indicate that her concern with LA is based on something other than desire for clean cycling.

 

[thehog]

Her reflexive defense of Froome/Wiggo, and especially her Schleck love, indicate that her concern with LA is based on something other than desire for clean cycling.

I've never had an offer for coffee

 

[Maxiton]

I've never had an offer for coffee

I'm sure it's nothing personal. Besides, are you in love with Froome, Wiggo, and Schleck, while dissing Big Tex for doping?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

The key being those messages were direct private messages not tweets.

Why would the family man be wanting to go for coffee with a nubile young lady?

Yea, I was wondering if his baby mama knew about him inviting young women out for coffee.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Her reflexive defense of Froome/Wiggo, and especially her Schleck love, indicate that her concern with LA is based on something other than desire for clean cycling.

I just read some of the Sky Schleck stuff. What a sheltered life she has led. What a mess. Practically a perfect Wonderboy cult member. No wonder Wonderboy is stalking her.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Stop it with the sexual innuendo.

Susan

 

[JRTinMA]

Her reflexive defense of Froome/Wiggo, and especially her Schleck love, indicate that her concern with LA is based on something other than desire for clean cycling.

Because it takes absolutely no thought or depth to slap LA around. He's a pretty easy target to come out against in 2012, how brave of her. Her defense of Schleck proves she is far from insightful as the hog suggests.

 

[Maxiton]

I just read some of the Sky Schleck stuff. What a sheltered life she has led. What a mess. Practically a perfect Wonderboy cult member. No wonder Wonderboy is stalking her.

Exactly. And I think his guess was the most likely one - a kind of inverted passion - even if it was wrong. But let's stop lest this be mistaken for any sort of innuendo (which it patently is not).

 

[Race Radio]

Because it takes absolutely no thought or depth to slap LA around. He's a pretty easy target to come out against in 2012, how brave of her. Her defense of Schleck proves she is far from insightful as the hog suggests.

Yup, never question the myth. Anyone who questions Lance without also questioning every minor detail of anyone who has ever rode a bike is just a hater who loves cancer

Latest talking point: Those who question the myth are stupid and have no depth

 

[131313]

Yup, never question the myth. Anyone who questions Lance without also questioning every minor detail of anyone who has ever rode a bike is just a hater who loves cancer

Latest talking point: Those who question the myth are stupid and have no depth

you're being a bit ridiculous. Have you actually looked at her blog? The hypocrisy is frightening: "How is a rider ever to be free of doping accusations if the general public refuses to believe findings of innocence, or in the case of Alberto Contador, findings of guilt? Fränk Schleck was found innocent of the Dr. Fuentes matter. That decision must be respected."

umm...really?? The LADA has about as much credibility as the Vrijman report... She seems incredibly naive more than stupid, but it's obvious that her cognitive biases get in the way of her critical thinking. That's not a talking point, that's reality.

 

[thehog]

Because it takes absolutely no thought or depth to slap LA around. He's a pretty easy target to come out against in 2012, how brave of her. Her defense of Schleck proves she is far from insightful as the hog suggests.

Regardless of what she says or believes it’s somewhat bizarre that the self confessed family man is soliciting a young lady - he was showing off a bit wasn’t he?

Why would he be personally messaging, requesting to meet and attempting to impress a women by years younger than himself.

What possibly could he be doing? Spreading awareness?

It is very strange that he would be contacting women over the internet. Very strange. We can only hope his intentions were honorable.

How would one explain this to one’s own family. I’m not sure.

 

[Race Radio]

you're being a bit ridiculous. Have you actually looked at her blog? The hypocrisy is frightening: "How is a rider ever to be free of doping accusations if the general public refuses to believe findings of innocence, or in the case of Alberto Contador, findings of guilt? Fränk Schleck was found innocent of the Dr. Fuentes matter. That decision must be respected."

umm...really?? The LADA has about as much credibility as the Vrijman report... She seems incredibly naive more than stupid, but it's obvious that her cognitive biases get in the way of her critical thinking. That's not a talking point, that's reality.

She is certainly naive but it is a blog, not the NYT. I see similar examples of willful ignorance in almost all areas of fandom. Just because she does not understand what is wrong with Frank giving $10,000 to a Gynecologist does not make the fact she is creeped out by being stalked by Wonderboy is less valid

 

[Benotti69]

Regardless of what she says or believes it’s somewhat bizarre that the self confessed family man is soliciting a young lady - he was showing off a bit wasn’t he?

Why would he be personally messaging, requesting to meet and attempting to impress a women by years younger than himself.

What possibly could he be doing? Spreading awareness?

It is very strange that he would be contacting women over the internet. Very strange. We can only hope his intentions were honorable.

How would one explain this to one’s own family. I’m not sure.

I somehow doubt things get explained in RanchLieStrong never mind any questioning.

 

[131313]

Just because she does not understand what is wrong with Frank giving $10,000 to a Gynecologist does not make the fact she is creeped out by being stalked by Wonderboy is less valid

I agree with that, but I'd suggest that you shouldn't be so quick to categorize those who question her as "protecting the myth", they're simply pointing out some gaping holes in her thought process. Yeah, it's not the NY Times, but the reality is what you write is who you are in the "blogging world", and stuff like that doesn't help ones credibility. I'm sure in time she'll figure it out.

To me, the most interesting part of this whole thing is the level to which Big Tex will go to control the message. It's not really "creepy" per se, it's incredibly predictable. Unfortunately for her, after "persuasion" doesn't work, he'll be onto the next step, which will be even less pleasant.

 

[Benotti69]

I agree with that, but I'd suggest that you shouldn't be so quick to categorize those who question her as "protecting the myth", they're simply pointing out some gaping holes in her thought process. Yeah, it's not the NY Times, but the reality is what you write is who you are in the "blogging world", and stuff like that doesn't help ones credibility. I'm sure in time she'll figure it out.

To me, the most interesting part of this whole thing is the level to which Big Tex will go to control the message. It's not really "creepy" per se, it's incredibly predictable. Unfortunately for her, after "persuasion" doesn't work, he'll be onto the next step, which will be even less pleasant.

And it may be unfortunate for him when she blogs about it.

 

[MarkvW]

Because it takes absolutely no thought or depth to slap LA around. He's a pretty easy target to come out against in 2012, how brave of her. Her defense of Schleck proves she is far from insightful as the hog suggests.

She is fairly thoughtful and well-reasoned. You should take the time to read her posts. They are a pretty good take on the doping mess that Lance has gotten himself into as well as the defenses Lance is using.

The big difference between Lance and the Schlecks--the thing that makes Lance an easy target--is the overwhelming evidence of Lance's doping and the organized doping of Lance's team. The USPS-Disco-Astana-Shack conspiracy was long-term and broad. It dwarfs the Festina scandal. That overwhelming evidence not only makes Lance an easy target--it also makes him a FAIR target.

Lance is also trying to argue that the USADA process does not apply to him. That is a mighty disruptive argument. Should his argument prove successful, it will result in the destruction of USADA. That alone makes Lance worthy of scrutiny and criticism.

 

[Deagol]

This is too much like the Olsen twin thing...
If I was Lance's PR guru, I would be flinching from the fact that he is contacting this girl. Others have said it: creepy

 

[sniper]

To me, the most interesting part of this whole thing is the level to which Big Tex will go to control the message. It's not really "creepy" per se, it's incredibly predictable. Unfortunately for her, after "persuasion" doesn't work, he'll be onto the next step, which will be even less pleasant.

it's part I guess of what happens when you don't have a real job. you start inventing jobs, do things to keep you busy, give meaning to life.

Think about it: how many of us identify themselves by the job they do?
indeed, many. So what's left for Lance to identify himself with? these must be tough times for lance.
that blogster could have had a bit more sense for the situation.
"Lance, chap, wanna talk? a shoulder to cry on? Let's have that coffee.", is what I would have said.

 

[thehog]

And it may be unfortunate for him when she blogs about it.

She should have worn a wire and met him!

I would dread to think what he would have said if they did meet.

He is a strange man.

She certainly has a following on Twitter. I'd say her protection has been bolstered from the event. He won't be trying similar again.

 

[red_flanders]

Folks, the twitter incident with the blogger has nothing to do with USADA/Armstrong. Please move back to the topic. Thanks.

 

[JRTinMA]

Troll babble

Get some new talking points, your points are old and stale. Better yet dare to actually be critical and not blindly believe because somebody criticizes Lance they are brilliant. You are proving my point, you get good info for sure, you lack the bandwidth for critical thought.

 

[D-Queued]

Folks, the twitter incident with the blogger has nothing to do with USADA/Armstrong. Please move back to the topic. Thanks.

Not arguing, but the USADA response and USADA/Armstrong was very much a part of this:

Exhibit 1:

"In other news, I have returned to the land of the internet and I am catching up on my backlog of work, which includes reading and analyzing the USADA response, which I realize is now borderline irrelevant, but from what I have read so far, it should be entertaining."

This dialog in this thread could as easily have been part of the 'Lance as a bully' thread, as there appears to be at least a little intimidation that was attempted. The 'confrontation' having similarities to Lance showing up at Betsy's deposition, for example, to provide the message, 'I am here, and I am watching'.

Exhibit 2:

@LanceArmstrong: Ignoring random strangers is understandable unless that random stranger is the recipient of the majority of your drivel.

We should infer 'drivel' to be pejorative, n'est ce pas?

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

Troll babble

Post, not poster.