USADA - Armstrong

[mewmewmew13]

It's a great day for clean athletes.

That velonation article was clear and to the point!

Travis put in a well-spoken dig...how ironic that they "walked way from process " but then might turn around and go back and fight anyway....

 

[DirtyWorks]

I cant believe someone actually compared it to the guildford four. Staggered

Long, long, long way to go yet. I can't make that any clearer.

It looks like I need to source the yellow annodized tin foil for selling some hats to Nike for their stores. $0.01 will go to cancer "awareness." Nike and I will split the rest 80/20.

 

[L'Etranger]

Which for me is the really sickening part, those and there are many, who years back cringed at all the doping scandals but still, I suppose 'hoped' that a man coming back from cancer, who managed to win 7 Tours and who fronts a cancer charity, couldnt really have the gaul and bare faced cynicism to use this as a mask for doping.

The fact that we now see what is truly capable when its comes to pro sport, a segement of our society designed to exite & inspire, sets all sports back years.

To hear other cancer charities pledge their support to Livestrong, beggars belief, how could any caring establishment now want anything to do with one that has profited from conning the public into believing whats possible in remission.

As a pedant in good standing I would normally be tempted to correct you and say "gall", not "gaul", but since it was all about winning the Tour de France, maybe gaul is OK.

 

[RichWalk]

The Guardian's news article is pretty good, juxtaposing Armstrong's talking points with WADA rebuttals, and this opinion piece gets it right: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/aug/24/how-lance-armstrong-strongarmed-cycling

"The moral of the story is that if a cyclist looks too good to be true, then he probably is. But if a cyclist looks too good to be true and has an entourage of lawyers, press flaks, doctors and bodyguards, then he definitely is."

Sums it up very nicely!

 

[User Guide]

Armstrong, clearly believing there should be a set of rules only for him, chose not to fight that battle. He picked a stunning time to do something we've never seen him do before: quit.

- great line!

Yet 98% ish of the comments are pro LA

 

[zigmeister]

USADA and their process is a joke.

What exactly have they proven?

Nothing.

USADA credibility equals zero...and their ruling is what I expected all along whether it went to arbitration or not.

Tygart and his clown operation must feel so proud of themselves. I'm sure St. Peter will keep their seat next to him warm until their arrival.

 

[RichWalk]

As a pedant in good standing I would normally be tempted to correct you and say "gall", not "gaul", but since it was all about winning the Tour de France, maybe gaul is OK.

Excellent reposte, being a pedant where I am concerned is a lifetimes work

 

[webvan]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/story/2012-08-23/lance-armstrong-usada/57258738/1

"Tour de France winner and famous cancer survivor now has officially earned himself another title:Cheater"

Wow...USA Today not buying his crap and saying it pretty vocally, amazing, Dopestrong must have fallen off his chair when he read that, it seems no one is scared of his lawyers' "notice"...

 

[BroDeal]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-pride-and-hubris-not-doping-ruin-his-legacy

"Armstrong's fall didn't happen because he purportedly cheated and it didn't happen because he got caught. This fall—this ignominious end to a heroic journey—happened because he could never figure out when to give up the race."

 

[OldManThyme]

Baffling the amount of people I've witnessed in the last 7 hours or so who have said "he raised millions for cancer research". I love correcting that lie. I've taken on as many apologists on social media today as I possibly could, but it's still a needle in a haystack. The best thing everyone can do right now is to fight his PR campaign with real information, and not let lies and deceit win this day.

A strong call to arms

 

[hfer07]

an article worth reading:

http://msn.foxsports.com/cycling/st...t-against-usada-goes-from-hero-to-zero-082412


I'm glad that- at least - there are a good number of journalists out there looking at the facts-not the fiction imposed by LA & his PR machine..

 

[zigmeister]

Velonews article by Brian Holcombe...laughable.

"His acceptance of the USADA sanction — a lifetime ban and the stripping of all results earned since 1999 — is not an admission of guilt, but rather a refusal to address the allegations."

Haha..no, he hasn't answered one question at all in the past 5yrs about doping....what a moron.

2 federal cases, hours upon hours of video taped interviews/questioning regarding doping...yes, Lance never addressed one allegation to anybody.

Good god this circus act called the USADA and Tygart is pathetic, along with the minions who think some kind of actual justice was executed and carried out.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Can anyone show me any mainstream news articles that are scoffing at Armstrongs claim that this is a "witch hunt"? Any that directly give credit to USADA? Any that say Armstrong did this because arbitration would show he doped with certainty? Because that is the truth, and I'm not seeing it anywhere in the media. None. They all report Armstrongs nonsensical claims like they are possibly valid and worthy concerns.

Like I and others are repeating, right now, today, you will have to search hard to find that, but you can bet there are plenty of investigative journo types that make their living digging and now that it is front of mind and a lot of people are seriosuly curious that never gave a cr@p, the stories will arrive, just not today. There's ratings in this for the non-lancecentric view.

 

[WinterRider]

Great! I just turned on British Euro sport and they're really ripping into Lance.

 

[ManInFull]

Armstrong, clearly believing there should be a set of rules only for him, chose not to fight that battle. He picked a stunning time to do something we've never seen him do before: quit.

- great line!

What's the likelihood that the UCI surprises us and doesn't support the decisions by USADA?

 

[alberto.legstrong]

A strong call to arms

A lot of well-meaning people ignorantly repeat his lies. Once they get corrected they will not trust him so easily. It's all downhill from here! (PUN INTENDED.)

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Yet 98% ish of the comments are pro LA

My point exactly. Until the mainstream gets their heads out of the sand and reports on what the truth is, the idiots are going to have their say without retort. That's what Lance is counting on.

 

[GJB123]

USADA and their process is a joke.

What exactly have they proven?

Nothing.

USADA credibility equals zero...and their ruling is what I expected all along whether it went to arbitration or not.

Tygart and his clown operation must feel so proud of themselves. I'm sure St. Peter will keep their seat next to him warm until their arrival.

Well it would only have taken Armstrong accepting public arbitration and we, including clueless fanbois like yourself, what the evidence actually entails. Clearly he didn't have the balls to follow through.

Regards
GJ

 

[therealtimshady]

Great! I just turned on British Euro sport and they're really ripping into Lance.

Well harmon is , Sean Kelly is being very neutral

 

[lemoogle]

Great! I just turned on British Euro sport and they're really ripping into Lance.

Better than them praising Sky like nothing suspicious is happening.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Colin Cowherd just reported that this just shows LA is just a dude. He just did a little extra, that's all.

That's all?

 

[BroDeal]

USADA and their process is a joke.

What exactly have they proven?

Nothing.

USADA credibility equals zero...and their ruling is what I expected all along whether it went to arbitration or not.

Tygart and his clown operation must feel so proud of themselves. I'm sure St. Peter will keep their seat next to him warm until their arrival.

Personally, I think this may be the best part of this: Watching the apologists and homers have conniption fits as they struggle to come to grips with reality.

Buck up, little camper, old Postal and Disco kits will be going for bottom rung prices on eBay and at Goodwill as former fans hide the evidence of their shame.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

USADA and their process is a joke.

What exactly have they proven?

Nothing.

USADA credibility equals zero...and their ruling is what I expected all along whether it went to arbitration or not.

Tygart and his clown operation must feel so proud of themselves. I'm sure St. Peter will keep their seat next to him warm until their arrival.

 

[The Valley]

POS Landis? Wow, dude, you just took yourself WAY down in my books.



Sounds like a reasonable solution to me, except it is hard to believe anybody in the top 20 was RELATIVELY clean up through 2002 or 3. Maybe even later. See : http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/david-walsh-on-armstrong-and-usadas-charges



I sure hope it does come out. I have to agree with so many of the comments here: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-cycling-reacts-armstrong-to-lose-tour-titles. It is so late in coming.

I also do not care if LA loses his wins. They make NO difference, because the whole top end was involved in the same business. What would have made a difference is when all the evidence comes out. All of the "hows" and "how-to's" need to come out and be made public, so that we can have a reasonable chance of preventing them in the future. They need to be public so that even the "doubting Thomases" work with anti-doping procedures. Some never will, of course, but we need most to work to keep things clean.

Without Lance being painted publicly as guilty, the knowledge that doping was practically universal in the pro peloton for so many years will never be strong. That knowledge has to be strong. To be "strong", it must be widely known and accepted as true. Without the main figurehead of doping being known, the rest is just throwing the occassional tidbit to the mobs to keep them quiet, while in reality they starve.

The USADA must release their evidence. Maybe they are waiting a few days so people like George can finish out their careers. Fine, I can understand that - but the evidence must come out.

Great post hiero2, much respect.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

My point exactly. Until the mainstream gets their heads out of the sand and reports on what the truth is, the idiots are going to have their say without retort. That's what Lance is counting on.

I haven't read any "comments" and most people don't.
But I would guess that there are fewer posting and they are obviously fanatical - so its meaningless. I mentioned before that the same happened with Penn State. It makes things look even sadder and more pathetic.

The MSM have this now - they are not cheerleaders and their negative headlines are far reaching.