USADA - Bruyneel, Celaya, Garcial del Moral, Ferrari, Marti

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Benotti69 said:
Can somebody point to who funds USADA.

This tax payers BS is wearing thin.

It is trolling.

In addition to taxpayer money, they take private donations?
Interesting to see that list lol.
Hopefully no big tobbacco money. Maybe some ex-riders donate? There are better causes in my opinion, but to each his own. Maybe some clinic members have donated? Donated twice even. Put your money where your mouth is.
 
Benotti69 said:
Armstrong is calling it a witch hunt.

Bruyneel is off message with his protegé!

"I shall of course cooperate fully with the investigation, although I have no doubt the end result will be the same as all the other investigations over the years,” Bruyneel said via a statement on his website."

He will 'cooperate fully'?

I wonder does Bruyneel know the game is up as he would have more contacts inside cycling and know more of what USADA has, whereas Armstrong is focused on tri!

Loved this (see sig below).

To make it complete, JB should throw in the one-liner that he too, has done too much for too many.

Dave.
 
Cloxxki said:
Surely UCI will have no option but to take USADA's action seriously, even if they weren't allowed to play their role of moll in the operation, passively letting Lance and Johan down? There can't be any "looking into i" after the summer", now can there?

This is an open question. I think it's safe to say McQuaid is trying to figure out a plausible path that protects Wonderboy. If the UCI were trying to protect JB, I think he would have stayed quiet. At this point it appears JB has been thrown in front of the oncoming anti-doping bus. Pat and Hein remain unscathed.

The other open question is what will the Tri federation(s??) actually do.
 
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Regarding the "taxpayer's money" line, it could be said that - as everyone here agrees that he did it - that he's wasted money on denying doping that could have gone towards cancer awareness or whatever.
 
taiwan said:
Regarding the "taxpayer's money" line, it could be said that - as everyone here agrees that he did it - that he's wasted money on denying doping that could have gone towards cancer awareness or whatever.

I sure agree. Just think, all of the money that Armstrong has shoveled into his lawyers' coffers with no end in sight....
could have all gone to LiveStrong and cancer fighting. Total waste.
 
JRTinMA said:
Its on their website someplace, search for it ffs. Its funded by a grant from the US government and contracts for services. So its fair to state it funded by taxpayers money at least in part.

It is funded IN PART to do a job. That's what it is doing right now: its job. You might not like it, but the USADA is doing exactly what it should be doing. It receives the same funding regardless of whether it pursues this case, so feel free to stop this stupid line of argument.

As far as the whole "pursuing foreign athletes with US taxpayer money", I'm betting that tune would change right quick if it were American athletes being cheated by foreigners. I'm guessing not too many Americans would be complaining if the USADA were going after East German athletes back during the Cold War.
 
peacefultribe said:
Whatever happened to those blood pumps from the 2009 Tour? That story seemed to go away.

Yeah, I wondered about that too a while back. After the Tour the whole "medical-waste-story" about the Astana team came out but then it just seemed like nothing ever happend.

Would be nice with some answers!
 
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peacefultribe said:
Whatever happened to those blood pumps from the 2009 Tour? That story seemed to go away.

Sitting in a UCI office in Switzerland in a box along with a systematic blood testing machine I imagine :rolleyes:
 
Moose McKnuckles said:
It is funded IN PART to do a job. That's what it is doing right now: its job. You might not like it, but the USADA is doing exactly what it should be doing. It receives the same funding regardless of whether it pursues this case, so feel free to stop this stupid line of argument.

As far as the whole "pursuing foreign athletes with US taxpayer money", I'm betting that tune would change right quick if it were American athletes being cheated by foreigners. I'm guessing not too many Americans would be complaining if the USADA were going after East German athletes back during the Cold War.

It wasn't my argument, it was an answer to a question, don't let the facts get in the way though.
 
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70kmph said:
Dr Ferrari-

"You can say someone's doping only if they test positive for something that's banned. If it doesn't show up in the drug controls, then it's not doping."

No wonder Ferarri and Armstrong were tight.
 

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Benotti69 said:
No wonder Ferarri and Armstrong were tight.

I always liked this one, from Conconi no less.
There's no honour among thieves either -- or dodgy doctors -- Professor Conconi has said in public: "Dr Michele Ferrari decided a long time ago to take the path of businessman."
 

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Benotti69 said:
Good find.

Heres another nice quote from Johan in 2005:

"Mr. Jongen has a rich imagination," Bruyneel countered. "There was one doctor in our team, no-one else, and I never saw that green station wagon - it's all nonsense. And I never said anything that should stay secret."
 
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Benotti69 said:
So was US Postal and look at what they spent tax payers money on. Dopers. No one screaming blue murder to get that money back ;)

At the time that they were sponsoring LA's team they were still making money and did not use tax payer dollars. Actually they got a great run for their money, lots of exposure at reasonable rates and all of this prior to much negative publicity about doping. What is there to scream about
 
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Oldbiker said:
At the time that they were sponsoring LA's team they were still making money and did not use tax payer dollars. Actually they got a great run for their money, lots of exposure at reasonable rates and all of this prior to much negative publicity about doping. What is there to scream about

I am sure USPS is very happy that their brand will forever be linked to blood transfusions, fraud, and organized cheating
 
I actually find this aspect more interesting than Armstrong, whom I believe will never confess, and never even cooperate with any USADA investigation, nor show up to any hearing. He will play it out in the court of public opinion, and forever claim it was a conspiracy and witch hunt, even if they strip him of everything with a mountain of hard evidence. 90% of us will laugh, or scoff, but a vocal 10% will still believe.

These guys however, they can't play that game. They can try to ride Armstrong's "conspiracy" coattails for a while, but he will only stand up for them so far, and I don't see that getting them much at all. The case against them is thus much more intriguing to see how they react, and what comes out.
 

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Oldbiker said:
At the time that they were sponsoring LA's team they were still making money and did not use tax payer dollars. Actually they got a great run for their money, lots of exposure at reasonable rates and all of this prior to much negative publicity about doping. What is there to scream about

A great run for their money? They didn't even use USPS when they were sending PEDs to each other.
In a grimly amusing aside, Hamilton alleged that when Armstrong arranged to send him EPO by mail, an unknown intermediary used either FedEx or DHL.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Heres another nice quote from Johan in 2005:

...a story which leads, incidentally, to this precious, priceless bunch of cack from Jonathan Vaughters:

"But [2005] was probably the cleanest Tour since the early '90s. It (doping) has decreased enormously since the '95-'96 period." Now, Vaughters estimated about "80-85 percent" of the field is clean.

There are many choice quotes in this one. Highly recommended.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
I always liked this one, from Conconi no less.

What this article outlines, corresponds exactly with the picture I was given of the sport in Italy by dozens of knowledgeable and experienced people, as well as teammates who doped, back in 95-96 and then again when I resumed the cycling scene here in 2000-2001 .

I remember how my views rapidly changed along with my perceptions, in light of all the available information. One simply had to open their eyes to know what was going on. This is why by about 2001 I realized Lance was as dirty as they get, even if already before there was an unavoidable suspicion. Then after reading about his arrogance among former teammates, Mafioso brazenness in rigorously supporting omertà from the top in the protagonist's role, to say nothing of the millions he earned, the Lance persona simply became appalling. All of this while enjoying the accolades of stardom and fawning worship among the US fanfare: by naive people who in reality knew nothing about how the game is played and who willingly chose to believe in the fairytale they wanted to see rather than facts because it was more congenial to their patriotic sentiments and to do otherwise would have been too upsetting; with a ridiculously accomplice press more ecstatic about building up another "American Hero," than exposing the lies behind the appealing set-piece through sound journalism. In fact he shamelessly played right up to the naiveté and ingenuousness of his fellow Americans and it was just disgusting to watch from Italy of course, right down to the hypocritical facade that has always been his cancer foundation! Finally at the sight of the Simeoni affair and the insolence with which he has always maintained his innocence, armed with money, the best lawyers money can buy and even a certain political support - as we can see from the dropped Fed case against him - that has always permitted him to evade justice (and, in fact, he may yet prevail, but only for these same nefarious and corrupting reasons), the only thing one wanted to see was him getting exposed and for the truth to come out. Finally he was not even beyond successfully bribing the UCI to cover up his doping positive at the 2001 Tour de Suisse, which means for all the economic and business reasons (after all Lance did bring with his celebritydom the colossal US market into the cycling business) he became the Untouchable in a business without ethical purchase. Moreover he became the sport's moral turpitude personified; while all around him, one after another, his major rivals during his Tour streak, as well as a number of former teammates, had either tested positive, or else were implicated in doping practices by the famous medical investigations. But not Lance. The invincible one. Lance was clean and whipping the best in the world on "hard work" and "dedication" alone, and of course the shear willpower that only someone of his nationality could produce: like all those unwatchable propagandistic Hollywood blockbusters, in which the American hero overcomes impossible odds to save his family, his country and finally the entire world from bellicose aliens, Jack the Ripper, oil-greedy terrorists, deadly species ending diseases, meteorite inflicted Armageddon, the bogyman, the global invasion of Chinese kung-fu films, etc. It was the perfect script for a patriotic and traumatized after 9-11 US people, who thus just gobbled it up wholesale; without a wink of critical approach or thought in the nation's press for years.

As per Bruyneel, the sport has needed to be rid of him and his kind for decades now.
 
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filipo said:
...a story which leads, incidentally, to this precious, priceless bunch of cack from Jonathan Vaughters:



There are many choice quotes in this one. Highly recommended.

I like JV circa 2009 before Vandevelde busted his clavicle in the giro, saying Christian needs a long build up to find his form.

Then he busts his clavicle

ok, so he gets it pinned, and back on the trainer within a weak.

But he still riders Top freekin 10 in July, after taking a face plant in the Festival of May. hehhee, yeah, the festival.

So he rides then top ten. Guess if he has time to find his form, and the long build up eh jv, he makes the podium. no worries :D

#takes_time_
#to
#find_
#form
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Alpe d'Huez said:
I actually find this aspect more interesting than Armstrong, whom I believe will never confess, and never even cooperate with any USADA investigation, nor show up to any hearing. He will play it out in the court of public opinion, and forever claim it was a conspiracy and witch hunt, even if they strip him of everything with a mountain of hard evidence. 90% of us will laugh, or scoff, but a vocal 10% will still believe.

These guys however, they can't play that game. They can try to ride Armstrong's "conspiracy" coattails for a while, but he will only stand up for them so far, and I don't see that getting them much at all. The case against them is thus much more intriguing to see how they react, and what comes out.

Well said. As grotesque as that may be.