USADA will investigate

[mewmewmew13]

Jan knows...

Jan knows that he and his team doped a lot more than Lance and Postal.
Like Jan says - "If you can't put 2 and 2 together....."

Fabricated hearsay---where's your link?
lol
waa

 

[mewmewmew13]

I had no idea that so many people on this forum were fans of the "Deadliest Catch"!

Used to watch it...now it is just "beep" "beep" get the "beep" outta "beep"

 

[MarkvW]

Jan knows...

Jan knows that he and his team doped a lot more than Lance and Postal.
Like Jan says - "If you can't put 2 and 2 together....."

If Jan gets it, there just has to be an award ceremony! "Justice" after all these years!

 

[Polish]

So that makes it alright for Lance so.

Thats a nice bit of spin there you put on it.

Who said anything about right or wrong.

Just saying a logical rational person looking at the evidence can correctly conclude that T-Mobile and Jan were a much dirtier team than Lance and Postal. Lots of teams and individuals were dirtier. Take off your goggles.

 

[MacRoadie]

Yeah, but its true. You know it is.

Keep Polishing that turd there, buddy.

Polish, Polish, Polish...

Gotta save those seven jerseys:

Onetwothreefourfivesixseven.

Well, maybe six:

Onetwothreefourfivesix.

Ok, at least five:

Onetwothreefourfive.

 

[MarkvW]

Who said anything about right or wrong.

Just saying a logical rational person looking at the evidence can correctly conclude that T-Mobile and Jan were a much dirtier team than Lance and Postal. Lots of teams and individuals were dirtier. Take off your goggles.

So the Posties absolutely dominated the dirtier teams? What an amazing feat! Do you mean, perhaps, that microdosing is a 'cleaner' way of doping?

 

[hrotha]

Who said anything about right or wrong.

Just saying a logical rational person looking at the evidence can correctly conclude that T-Mobile and Jan were a much dirtier team than Lance and Postal. Lots of teams and individuals were dirtier. Take off your goggles.

Actually there is reason to believe Telekom and Ullrich in particular were relatively clean (for the standards of the time) in the very early 00s, before Freiburg and all that. Kevin Livingston seemed to think Ullrich was a lot cleaner than US Postal, and he should know.

(This post isn't for Polish but for the benefit of more casual readers who might not have figured Polish out yet)

 

[mewmewmew13]

Who said anything about right or wrong.

Just saying a logical rational person looking at the evidence can correctly conclude that T-Mobile and Jan were a much dirtier team than Lance and Postal. Lots of teams and individuals were dirtier. Take off your goggles.

'The evidence' and 'a logical rational person' ...nice sound bites

So now it is upon you to provide 'the evidence' for those who might be newer around here.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Actually there is reason to believe Telekom and Ullrich in particular were relatively clean (for the standards of the time) in the very early 00s, before Freiburg and all that. Kevin Livingston seemed to think Ullrich was a lot cleaner than US Postal, and he should know.

(This post isn't for Polish but for the benefit of more casual readers who might not have figured Polish out yet)

He told Vaughters that Jan wasn't above 43% (42?) at the Tour. Amazing if true, considering the day and age.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Isn't it about time for Kevin to sing like a canary? Sure would be interesting to hear what he has to say.

 

[Polish]

Actually there is reason to believe Telekom and Ullrich in particular were relatively clean (for the standards of the time) in the very early 00s, before Freiburg and all that. Kevin Livingston seemed to think Ullrich was a lot cleaner than US Postal, and he should know.

(This post isn't for Polish but for the benefit of more casual readers who might not have figured Polish out yet)

Of course jan was cleaner in the "very early 00's". The test for EPO came out.
But how about Jan's win in 97? And best young rider in 96? Was Jan clean in 98?
Lance was cleaner too by the early 00's. Everybody was.
Lance ushered in the End of the EPO Era for GT winners.
Greg ushered it in, Lance ushered it out.

 

[MacRoadie]

Greg ushered it in, Lance ushered it out.

Nice, when you're talking absolute horse**** and you get called on it, play the "Greg doped" stupidity.

 

[MarkvW]

Isn't it about time for Kevin to sing like a canary? Sure would be interesting to hear what he has to say.

Lance isn't quite so viciously litigious any more.

 

[Polish]

He told Vaughters that Jan wasn't above 43% (42?) at the Tour. Amazing if true, considering the day and age.

The 97 Tour? That was the year Postal supplied "white lunch bags" and Telekom had EPO. Who was cleaner in 97? Telecom/Jan in 1996?

 

[Polish]

Nice, when you're talking absolute horse**** and you get called on it, play the "Greg doped" stupidity.

Yeah, but I said "ushered" not "used".

I put the EPO era 1989 - 2001 for GC Top Contenders.
After the EPO test, most smart riders stopped EPO.
Greg ushered the Epo Era in, Lance ushered the EPO Era out.

 

[MacRoadie]

Yeah, but I said "ushered" not "used".

Ushered:
v.tr.
1. To serve as an usher to; escort.
2. To lead or conduct. See Synonyms at guide.
3. To precede and introduce

 

[hrotha]

Of course jan was cleaner in the "very early 00's". The test for EPO came out.
But how about Jan's win in 97? And best young rider in 96? Was Jan clean in 98?
Lance was cleaner too by the early 00's. Everybody was.
Lance ushered in the End of the EPO Era for GT winners.
Greg ushered it in, Lance ushered it out.

"The very early 00s" as in 2000 and 2001, mostly. The EPO test only appeared in 2002. That year Ullrich didn't even ride the Tour.

In 1996-1998 Ullrich and Armstrong weren't rivals. You won't find many people arguing that US Postal was in the big leagues in 1997.

Livingston was in US Postal in 1999-2000, and in Telekom in 2001-2002, so your statement that Lance was cleaner isn't consistent with what Livingston allegedly said.

 

[thehog]

Once Lance apologises to Floyd and returns the money for his two books he'll be sweet with me.

 

[MarkvW]

Once Lance apologises to Floyd and returns the money for his two books he'll be sweet with me.

A while ago, you'd have been satisfied with just a doping admission. You're getting harder.

 

[Anonymous]

Of course jan was cleaner in the "very early 00's". The test for EPO came out.
But how about Jan's win in 97? And best young rider in 96? Was Jan clean in 98?
Lance was cleaner too by the early 00's. Everybody was.
Lance ushered in the End of the EPO Era for GT winners.
Greg ushered it in, Lance ushered it out.

Trolling unabated. Mods???? Hello! <tapping in to mic> Is this thing on??

You guys were awfully quick to shut down the Polish appreciation thread.

 

[Polish]

"The very early 00s" as in 2000 and 2001, mostly. The EPO test only appeared in 2002. That year Ullrich didn't even ride the Tour.

In 1996-1998 Ullrich and Armstrong weren't rivals. You won't find many people arguing that US Postal was in the big leagues in 1997.

Livingston was in US Postal in 1999-2000, and in Telekom in 2001-2002, so your statement that Lance was cleaner isn't consistent with what Livingston allegedly said.

I thought the EPO test came out in 2001? Or at least riders were aware of it coming out then. And since Jan did not ride in 2002 because of his ban - Livingston made his so called alleged comments on a pretty small slice of Telekom doping practices. Big doping pie, small slice.

 

[thehog]

A while ago, you'd have been satisfied with just a doping admission. You're getting harder.

Hardly an admission. It's Lance being legal Lance. He really should apologise and return the money for all those yellow bands.

I'll be sweet once Lance donates to Livestrong the money from all those yellow bands.

Then he'll be my friend.

He's a bit p1ssweak isn't he. Now he doesn't care? Riiiggghht!!

He doesn't care to lose anymore money on this gig of being clean.

He who lays their bed...

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Trolling unabated. Mods???? Hello! <tapping in to mic> Is this thing on??

You guys were awfully quick to shut down the Polish appreciation thread.

Sometimes it seems trolling is allowed here.

 

[airstream]

Armstrong provided Landis with a freelance job forever.

What is a time limitation? 8 years? I think USADA will wait one year more and only then take the 2005 title off.

 

[hrotha]

I thought the EPO test came out in 2001? Or at least riders were aware of it coming out then. And since Jan did not ride in 2002 because of his ban - Livingston made his so called alleged comments on a pretty small slice of Telekom doping practices. Big doping pie, small slice.

Moving your goalposts, eh?

What Livingston said is consistent with what Jaksche said about Telekom.