USP Postal Train in the Mountains...

[jens_attacks]

i really hope there will be some chances to see again this year an uphill-sprint on the base of alpe d'huez and someone to climb it under 37 minutes.
all the other sports athletes want to beat records and that's one of the reasons of professional sport(take swimming,they beat records faster than rabbits sexual acts)...in athletics if a usain bolt beats the shiit out of record is something amazing,incredible,legendary thing....in pro cycling...it's like yeah he doped.oh get over it people,medical assistance is necessary in all the professional sports.

so yeah usps mountain trains all the way!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

As far as I remember the ascent times for Alpe d'Huez in 03 were relatively slow.

Mayo was 25 seconds faster than Sastre's time in 08 and Armstrong was over 3 minutes slower than in 2001 and about 30 seconds faster than the best times of the 80's.

that's because they had a very hard day in the blistering heat. 40 degrees. 2003 was incredible heat also the timetrial ullrich won over 40 degrees

 

[Bavarianrider]

i really hope there will be some chances to see again this year an uphill-sprint on the base of alpe d'huez and someone to climb it under 37 minutes.
all the other sports athletes want to beat records and that's one of the reasons of professional sport(take swimming,they beat records faster than rabbits sexual acts)...in athletics if a usain bolt beats the shiit out of record is something amazing,incredible,legendary thing....in pro cycling...it's like yeah he doped.oh get over it people,medical assistance is necessary in all the professional sports.

so yeah usps mountain trains all the way!

 

[Lanark]

i really hope there will be some chances to see again this year an uphill-sprint on the base of alpe d'huez and someone to climb it under 37 minutes.
all the other sports athletes want to beat records and that's one of the reasons of professional sport(take swimming,they beat records faster than rabbits sexual acts)...in athletics if a usain bolt beats the shiit out of record is something amazing,incredible,legendary thing....in pro cycling...it's like yeah he doped.oh get over it people,medical assistance is necessary in all the professional sports.

so yeah usps mountain trains all the way!

If that happened I would quit watching cycling. I can't think of a worse development in this sport.

 

[jens_attacks]

lol what are you doing in that picture?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

To be honest, i much prefer to read the Pro road racing crowds opinion of this than the clinic crowd. Im on page 3 and Armstrong has hardly been mentioned. Its a good discussion and Ryo saying that good state of mind makes you perform better than increasing your hematocrit was entertaining.

that's not what I wrote. it's all microdosing now and for a number of years now, power of the mind has way more influence on that. explain to me voeckle rin his yellow jersey tour?? small doses of epo could not have achieved that

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

If that happened I would quit watching cycling. I can't think of a worse development in this sport.

cycling doesn't need fake fans. that's why I'm happy we have germany out of the picture

 

[Bavarianrider]

cycling doesn't need fake fans. that's why I'm happy we have germany out of the picture

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

cycling doesn't need fake fans. that's why I'm happy we have germany out of the picture

We would not want a country that gets upset about cheating watching cycling. They might demand fair competition.

 

[El Pistolero]

Germany doesn't demand fair competition. Even if it was mostly clean they'd still be yelling doping all day long.

 

[kurtinsc]

i really hope there will be some chances to see again this year an uphill-sprint on the base of alpe d'huez and someone to climb it under 37 minutes.
all the other sports athletes want to beat records and that's one of the reasons of professional sport(take swimming,they beat records faster than rabbits sexual acts)...in athletics if a usain bolt beats the shiit out of record is something amazing,incredible,legendary thing....in pro cycling...it's like yeah he doped.oh get over it people,medical assistance is necessary in all the professional sports.

so yeah usps mountain trains all the way!

A big part of the swimming records falling so fast were advances in the suit design. Suits like the LZR Raser gave huge advantages through bouyancy and resistance.

In January of 2010, they changed the rules on suits so that they cannot go below the knee, cannot go above the waist for men (shoulders for women) and cannot have zippers or fastening devices other then a draw string, and must be made out of a woven textile material.

The "super suits" were thought of as "technological doping" in swimming. No swimming world record has been broken since the suits were banned (a year and a half with no records dropping in ANY event).

For comparison, the men's 100m freestyle record was broken 7 times in 2008 and 2009 (the LZR Raser came out at the beginning of 2008). It stood for 8 years prior to that (it was broken twice at the 2000 olympics), 6 years prior to that, then 6 MORE years prior to that.

The only swimming records that weren't broken in 2008 and 2009 were the mens and womens 1500m records... the womens goes back to 2007 and the mens back to 2001.

People are going to be disappointed with the swimming at the 2012 olympics. I don't think a single world record will fall.

 

[The Hitch]

We would not want a country that gets upset about cheating watching cycling. They might demand fair competition.

If Germany attacked their own sporting heroes rather than have a hard on for cycling then it would be ok.

But they just hate cycling. Absolutely nothing against all the sports they own in where doping is rife. thats ok. No problem with hosting Bolts 100m record. that was great for tourism.

But cycling, theres a scape goat. A small sport which wont fight back and you can seem anti doping if you bully them.

****-em.

 

[Escarabajo]

you are probably right that it was beltran, but wasn't there a stage where heras pretty much had dropped the texan and the rest and had to wait for him?

Heras was spectacular on 2001 and 2002. He was sick on 2003 although he did decent performance. He never dropped Lance. He was told on the radio by Johan to slow down because he was putting the hurt on lance too. Those were the first mountain stages of 2002.

Trains did not exist Pre-Nineties, just because statistically speaking is almost impossible to have in the same team all the gifted physiological athletes. It was non-existant in the 80's and 70's. Just by listening to stories told by Delgado and Fignon (I know they are dopers, but not with EPO) the same talented guys were almost always present at the front group from day 1. The mountain stages turned into a survival race. During the US Postal era they controlled the race from the start of the stages to the finish when Lance took over. Big guys at the beginning, yes even on a mountain stage, and thin- small guys at the end. It was just not believable.

I have watched these tapes so many times.

Mods: When the title of the thread is called US Postal train in the mountains, the thread needs to be moved to the Clinic.

 

[Bavarianrider]

If Germany attacked their own sporting heroes rather than have a hard on for cycling then it would be ok.

But they just hate cycling. Absolutely nothing against all the sports they own in where doping is rife. thats ok. No problem with hosting Bolts 100m record. that was great for tourism.

But cycling, theres a scape goat. A small sport which wont fight back and you can seem anti doping if you bully them.

****-em.

Germans don't hate cycling. Just the mainstream media do.

Sadly Germany is a media dictatorship at it's worst

 

[The Hitch]

Germans don't hate cycling. Just the mainstream media do.

Sadly Germany is a media dictatorship at it's worst

Of course I wasnt talking about Germans. Its the media like you say, I never hold entire peoples responsible for their institutions or anything like that.

 

[Escarabajo]

it is you who are claiming all these doping allegations so it's you who needs sources not me

and I was talking about before epo was introduced so late 80s. I thought you said riders then had hematocrites of 49%

I know after 50% rule was in efect all riders were close or on 50% line. that's why pantani kicked so much *** because it was honest for a chance and pantani wiped the floor with everyone.

OMG.

Pantani was one of the biggest dopers of the Era.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Germany doesn't demand fair competition. Even if it was mostly clean they'd still be yelling doping all day long.

even when they stopped broadcasting the tour they send teams of journalists to find doping storys and when they couldn;t find any they started making sh*t up. my god how pathetic. they are only bad for cycling. these are the fake fans. with no cycling tradition. you think in italy and spain they care about their hero's being doped?? no of course not.

 

[dbrmuz]

even when they stopped broadcasting the tour they send teams of journalists to find doping storys and when they couldn;t find any they started making sh*t up. my god how pathetic. they are only bad for cycling. these are the fake fans. with no cycling tradition. you think in italy and spain they care about their hero's being doped?? no of course not.

So does that make it okay then?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

OMG.

End of discussion.

lol. it;'s funny how people think pantani was some sort of riis when he was a physical monster talent already at age 21 he had won baby giro when epo wasn't even a factor in the peloton, let alone u23 peloton

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

So does that make it okay then?

I couldn't care less about doping as long as it's honest. so either allow all, or allow all under certain rules. or forbid all. either of the 3 suit me.

also how about talent?? it';s natural doping. without epo riis would've never come close to winning a tour, but was he a lesser sportsman?? the guy had to be woken up in midnight to be put on the rollers to thin his blood in danger of bloodcloths cuz he had 65% hematocrite. say what you want that really means you go all teh way for your sport and I respect that in way. I won't soon forget hautacam 1996. the epo came from his mouth like gasoline leaking from a car.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Heras was spectacular on 2001 and 2002. He was sick on 2003 although he did decent performance. He never dropped Lance. He was told on the radio by Johan to slow down because he was putting the hurt on lance too. Those were the first mountain stages of 2002.

2002 and 2004 were, imo, the most impressive USPS trains, both up climbs and against the clock.
Buying up Heras was smart.
2003 was not so great, even considering Lance was off colour.
A very good TTT, but after the bottom of the Alpe, they were rather quiet.
One good reason why the 2003 was a rather better race than the rest.

 

[dbrmuz]

I couldn't care less about doping as long as it's honest. so either allow all, or allow all under certain rules. or forbid all. either of the 3 suit me.

also how about talent?? it';s natural doping. without epo riis would've never come close to winning a tour, but was he a lesser sportsman?? the guy had to be woken up in midnight to be put on the rollers to thin his blood in danger of bloodcloths cuz he had 65% hematocrite. say what you want that really means you go all teh way for your sport and I respect that in way. I won't soon forget hautacam 1996. the epo came from his mouth like gasoline leaking from a car.

Though I made the mistake of watching the footage after reading that-what an image that's left in my head just before bedtime!

 

[Cobblestoned]

Won't be a surprise when "clinic" overtakes "race forum" soon.
Why not just close the racing forum and carry all the (race)talk into the clinic.
That looks quiet bizarr, especially the handling/handlers of threads.
Too much race- and cyclingtalk is wasted in the clinic.

If mods were strict, they would carry all the normal racetalk back into the racingforum. But who cares.
Someone screams "clinic" loudly, because its about his beloved team or rider - and seconds later the thread dissapears and ends in the crazy clinic.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Well, that's the end of that.
I wonder which joker it was who eventually got this thread booted into Le Clinic?

 

[kurtinsc]

Well, that's the end of that.
I wonder which joker it was who eventually got this thread booted into Le Clinic?

Well... considering the 6th post in the thread (made by you) was already referencing the clinic, I'm not sure why you're suprised.