Vancansoleil in the Pro Tour or dead meat ?

[luckyboy]

Enjoy another doper coming back then.

If one doper doesn't win, another one will.

 

[DAOTEC]

Attention please important news precedent for 2011 maybe.

There are negotiations with RCS ongoing that Vac at least will start in 1 of the last classics of this season - Piemonte or Lombardia.

Hilaire Van der Schueren said to the Dutch press this evening that Piemonte much likely is, while Daan Luijkx thinks for Lombardia at the 11th hour the chances are slim but not zero.

Let's see if Cobra Riccò will get that chance from his countrymen.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Enjoy another doper coming back then.


No, I don't like Ricco!


I definetly do. Anton is just a failure and Sanchez well I do not even have to go there to know evans is a better rider.

anton could out-climb evans, no problem. Overall I agree cadel is better though.
sanchez is slightly better in the mountains also. Again evans is better overall though.

 

[DAOTEC]

Mosquera (Vacansoleil) starts racing again

Tuesday October 12, 2010
Ezequiel Mosquera is the next three weeks in competition again.
Sunday is his first action in the crit. of Alcobendas, then it is the Vuelta a Chihuahua and the crit. Ovieda on the program.
According to the newspaper [Voz de Galicia Mosquera is not suspended. The former rider of Xacobeo Galicia is awaiting the results of the UCI and its lawyers will then put on the positive test to the challenge. Mosquera signed this fall for the next two seasons with Vacansoleil.

 

[Jamsque]

Scandalous that he is still racing. The Spanish federation has once again demonstrated its complete lack of any interest in participating in the fight against doping.

 

[jens_attacks]

Scandalous that he is still racing. The Spanish federation has once again demonstrated its complete lack of any interest in participating in the fight against doping.

lol move your whining to the clinic or how they call it.please.

eze won't be banned and he'll deliver some crazy action both in il giro and la vuelta.haters gonna hate of course.

 

[Jamsque]

I'm no hater. I love watching Eze ride and was surprised and dismayed when he tested positive, but the fact remains he should not be riding in professional races right now.

 

[jens_attacks]

ok then.it's just that i don't like seeing on this part of the forum references to doping.it's way more disgusting than anti lance or pro lance trolling.so please in the future post there.i'm pretty sure that in the clinic there are some 15 or something threads about eze.

 

[DAOTEC]

Update...

? What to expect this week from Vacansoleil - DCM

Roy Hegreberg a 29-year old Norwegian SparebankenVest – Ridley won in August first stage in the Tour Des Pyrénées (UCI 2.2) is in the Ridley deal secured.

Marcello Pavarin a 23- year old Italiaan from Colnago-CSF Inox trainings buddy of Marco Marcato.

Still not confirmed Ruslan Pidgornyy ( ISD - Neri), Maxim Belkov (ISD - Neri) and Mirko Selvaggi (Team Astana).

The rider value points of Ezequiel Mosquera will be included in the ultimate team ranking of the UCI, cause it is not to be expected that a verdict will be in before October 31.

In the top 10 team ranking indication Vac-DCM trails at 6th.

1 Garmin - Cervélo 1144
2 Rabobank 1079
3 Luxembourg 876
4 OmegaPharma - Lotto 860
5 Lampre - ISD 839
6 Vacansoleil - DCM 719
7 HTC - Highroad 690
8 Liquigas - Cannondale 657
9 Katusha 637
10 Saxo Bank-Sungard 616

 

[mr. tibbs]

In the top 10 team ranking indication Vac-DCM trails at 6th.

1 Garmin - Cervélo 1144
2 Rabobank 1079
3 Luxembourg 876
4 OmegaPharma - Lotto 860
5 Lampre - ISD 839
6 Vacansoleil - DCM 719
7 HTC - Highroad 690
8 Liquigas - Cannondale 657
9 Katusha 637
10 Saxo Bank-Sungard 616

Those rankings are kind of surprising! Garmin & Rabo at the top? I guess in retprospect Rabo had some strong wins, and Garmin benefited heavily from Cervelo Test's collapse, but still. Who knew?

Also, I sincerely hope that Vacansoleil goes Pro Tour next year. I love seeing that team in a race.

 

[Mambo95]

The rider value points of Ezequiel Mosquera will be included in the ultimate team ranking of the UCI, cause it is not to be expected that a verdict will be in before October 31.

In the top 10 team ranking indication Vac-DCM trails at 6th.

1 Garmin - Cervélo 1144
2 Rabobank 1079
3 Luxembourg 876
4 OmegaPharma - Lotto 860
5 Lampre - ISD 839
6 Vacansoleil - DCM 719
7 HTC - Highroad 690
8 Liquigas - Cannondale 657
9 Katusha 637
10 Saxo Bank-Sungard 616

Where do these figures come from, because they don't seem right at all.

Just comparing the UCI points of Vacan & HTC

In 2010:
Vacansoliel + Mosquera = 290 points
Just Cav, Martin, Velits & Pinotti = 644 points

I believe it's over two years, so in 2009:
Vacansoliel (2009) + Mosquera + Devolder = 357
Just Cav & Martin = 429

So where are they making up the deficit to get ahead of HTC? Have they signed Rodriguez or Gilbert?

 

[theyoungest]

Where do these figures come from, because they don't seem right at all.

Just comparing the UCI points of Vacan & HTC

In 2010:
Vacansoliel + Mosquera = 290 points
Just Cav, Martin, Velits & Pinotti = 644 points

I believe it's over two years, so in 2009:
Vacansoliel (2009) + Mosquera + Devolder = 357
Just Cav & Martin = 429

So where are they making up the deficit to get ahead of HTC? Have they signed Rodriguez or Gilbert?

HTC lose Rogers and Greipel, both of them worth quite a few points.

 

[Mambo95]

HTC lose Rogers and Greipel, both of them worth quite a few points.

I haven't included them. I've only considered the four riders mentioned .

Hence "Just Cav, Martin, Velits & Pinotti" and "Just Cav & Martin" (so no Goss, TJVG, Albasini, Eisel etc, either)

 

[ingsve]

It's not based on the actual points of the World Ranking. It's an entirely different ranking that takes into accout a riders position in various rankings.

The points schedule is explained in here: http://www.cqranking.com/men/docs/div/Calculdelavaleursportivedescoureurs.pdf

So for example the top 10 in the world ranking all get 100 points no matter how many actual points they got. The next 10 get 65 points etc.

Then there are extra points for podiums in the top races and wins in lesser races.

I think that ranking is pretty interesting actually. Just looking at the points then Rodrigues has about double the points of Vinokourov in 10th but when you're comparing all riders then Rodriques shouldn't be worth twice as much as the 10th best rider in the ranking. It basically says "You're the top 10, good job". It makes for a much more realistic comparison given the point of the ranking.

 

[ingsve]

In the top 10 team ranking indication Vac-DCM trails at 6th.

1 Garmin - Cervélo 1144
2 Rabobank 1079
3 Luxembourg 876
4 OmegaPharma - Lotto 860
5 Lampre - ISD 839
6 Vacansoleil - DCM 719
7 HTC - Highroad 690
8 Liquigas - Cannondale 657
9 Katusha 637
10 Saxo Bank-Sungard 616

Does this list include the results of the last two year?

 

[Mambo95]

It's not based on the actual points of the World Ranking. It's an entirely different ranking that takes into accout a riders position in various rankings.

The points schedule is explained in here: http://www.cqranking.com/men/docs/div/Calculdelavaleursportivedescoureurs.pdf

So for example the top 10 in the world ranking all get 100 points no matter how many actual points they got. The next 10 get 65 points etc.

Then there are extra points for podiums in the top races and wins in lesser races.

I think that ranking is pretty interesting actually. Just looking at the points then Rodrigues has about double the points of Vinokourov in 10th but when you're comparing all riders then Rodriques shouldn't be worth twice as much as the 10th best rider in the ranking. It basically says "You're the top 10, good job". It makes for a much more realistic comparison given the point of the ranking.

Ah, I see. Another daft UCI ranking. I still don't believe that Vacan are ahead of HTC and Liquigas though.

I can't see Mosquera's points counting, anyway. Maybe they'll keep the last slot open until the B sample comes in (if it hasn't already).

 

[Kwibus]

I'm afraid Vacans are gonna miss out on the PT license. There 2 big names are dubious unfortunately. Ricco is a great rider, but will never be trusted by anyone. Mosquera is likely to get banned for seemingly good reasons.

Imo if you remove those 2 riders, since they haven't or barely raced for Vacans, the team always showed all they got everywhere they went. Always attacking, always animating races. I really hope they become a PT team.

 

[Praetor]

Dead meat obviously.

They took some risks with shady racers and it seems that those risks won't pan out.

 

[DAOTEC]

Does this list include the results of the last two year?

No it is the new UCI riders and team value ranking for only this year indicative for the new World Calendar that does replace the PT



Here the whole indicative team ranking is posted and the first 150 riders values:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10297&page=4


and VAC-DMC is very safe with only Lomb. to go ...

 

[ingsve]

No it is the new UCI riders and team value ranking for only this year indicative for the new World Calendar that does replace the PT



Here the whole indicative team ranking is posted and the first 150 riders values:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10297&page=4


and VAC-DMC is very safe with only Lomb. to go ...

Ya, but as far as I've seen the value ranking will still look back two years right? So while this ranking is indicative it's still only half the truth of the actual value ranking as I understand it. Still Vacansoleil is pretty far up there so based on that they are looking better than I thought.

 

[theyoungest]

Ya, but as far as I've seen the value ranking will still look back two years right? So while this ranking is indicative it's still only half the truth of the actual value ranking as I understand it. Still Vacansoleil is pretty far up there so based on that they are looking better than I thought.

I don't think looking back one more year will work to Vacansoleil's disadvantage, what with guys like Hoogie and Bozic having a much better season last year.

 

[DAOTEC]

Rui Costa message removed due to change of circumstances !

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[royalpig180]

Scandalous that he is still racing. The Spanish federation has once again demonstrated its complete lack of any interest in participating in the fight against doping.

It has nothing to do with the Spanish federation... His B sample has not been tested yet, so by the anti-doping code they aren't allowed to suspend him as the positive wasn't for a "true" PED. I'm not saying they necessarily would, but point is they can't.

 

[hrotha]

Do crits count as professional races? There was even some talk about Contador showing up.

 

[ingsve]

Do crits count as professional races? There was even some talk about Contador showing up.

No, the UCI doesn't recognice crits as road races at all in any form.