Vaughters confirms past doping by Danielson, others at Garmin

[AcademyCC]

Macrodie has hit this one right on the button. Look at the whole conversation! He states 2/3 times how he advocates telling USADA/WADA whole truth and being vague with the public. Then boom... He drops a stonker. He even starts the Tommy D story with I'll give you a funny example, yep real funny.

I think he's managing the fallout of the USADA info that is about to flow. He's protecting his riders.

There is most certainly a storm coming

 

[MacRoadie]

Also, let's keep in mind that the dialog occurred over the course of 5 hours (from 11:00 local to 16:00 local) so it wasn't a single, spur-of-the-moment thing.

 

[Kender]

I'm stunned that he siad it yesterday and it's just now gaining traction.

the article in CN helps, even if it was just forum copy and pastes.

wonder how many interview requests JV has received in his inbox now

 

[zigmeister]

Supposedly didnt they all talk with the Feds or USADA? That article during the tour d f by paper in europe reported something to that effect, but they claimed they all doped, or were going to get bans?

This must be part of the USADA evidence and since they are going to release this info possibly in a week or so to the public and UCI, Vaughters is likely jumping the gun and putting it out now instead of the middle of the s&itstorm that is about to erupt. Getting ahead ofit now and talking about it so it isnt lost in the mesS that is going to ensue.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

C'mon people. Let's get real here.

JV didn't pop on in one of the 1,000 nondescript threads and throw out some obfuscated and tangential comment on why he did or didn't get along with Thor Hushovd.

He explicitly stated, under no duress, that three current professional cyclists, all former team mates of Lance Armstrong, and all current members of his ProTour team have a history of doping, and went in to some detail on one of them.

The "Oops, I might have let just a teeny weeny bit too much informtion slip" idea is farcical (and absolutely not what I think his position is).

On the contrary, I think this kind of thing humanises him. Not meaning that I didn't think JV was human before or anything, but more that I have been critical of how it all seems too media-savvy, too calculated to be real, but things like this make me less concerned for that. After all, haven't we all got into arguments we shouldn't have got into? Let something we shouldn't have let slip slip in the heat of the moment? The problem is, on a place like the Clinic, each statement begs a number of questions, and I'd imagine for somebody on the inside willingly posting in the Clinic it's easy to back yourself into a corner where you say something you probably shouldn't have said, but doing so means you have to plug it full of qualifying statements that give more information than you'd probably like to give out, or invites a bunch of other questions where to not answer them would create even more questions than answering them ever would.

 

[The Hitch]

Could someone link the posts that spawned the story?

 

[zigmeister]

So....The Clinic just became the story. Nice.

I am sure Vaughters has spoken about all of this with Danielson, DZ and CVV - I am sure there are no delusions that their past would stay hidden forever. Frankly, their past is a horribly kept secret.

It's so strange....I never liked Floyd until he "came out" and I never really cared for Vaughters until he "came out" - although Vaughters has been growing on me over the last few years with his willingness to get into some tough discussions with fans on Twitter.

So Vaughters - kudos. You kinda rock.

The season is basically over. JV knows there is plenty of time for them to deal with questions on the off season, and enough time for most of the general public to forget about it by next spring.

 

[neineinei]

This feels like he has been outing them against their will and knowledge. If this is the case and I were one of them I would have felt terribly betrayed. Did he actually think here were only 12 foil hats sending personal messages? Presumably Cyclingnews must have contacted him to get a confirmation that it was actually him writing this stuff. You'd think he could have told them to not write the story in exchange for some bigger story in a few weeks? Or just to be decent? Suddenly Cyclingnews is outing dopers on the basis of forum posts, in the illreputed Clinic, no less. Is this just some sort of charade?

Anyway, this seems to confirm that Zabriskie and Vandevelde asked to not be considered for the London Olympics because they had admitted to doping to USADA. And as Leipheimer and Hincapie did the same, at the same time, they probably had the same reason. It was the only plausible explanation of course. Big George is indeed one of the USADA 10+.

 

[Bala Verde]

Could someone link the posts that spawned the story?

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/search.php?searchid=2200630

 

[roundabout]

Macrodie has hit this one right on the button. Look at the whole conversation! He states 2/3 times how he advocates telling USADA/WADA whole truth and being vague with the public. Then boom... He drops a stonker. He even starts the Tommy D story with I'll give you a funny example, yep real funny.

I think he's managing the fallout of the USADA info that is about to flow. He's protecting his riders.

There is most certainly a storm coming

I don't know. You ever had a situation where you thought you were having a nice discussion and then revisit it sometime later and be horrified at the dung you wrote?

Sure happened to me.

Hrotha is right. The "cozy" atmosphere of the padded walls makes people get a little carried away.

 

[ToreBear]

C'mon people. Let's get real here.

JV didn't pop on in one of the 1,000 nondescript threads and throw out some obfuscated and tangential comment on why he did or didn't get along with Thor Hushovd.

He explicitly stated, under no duress, that three current professional cyclists, all former team mates of Lance Armstrong, and all current members of his ProTour team have a history of doping, and went in to some detail on one of them.

The "Oops, I might have let just a teeny weeny bit too much informtion slip" idea is farcical (and absolutely not what I think his position is).

Loud sobbing and crying containing the words Paris–Roubaix keeping JV awake in the neighbouring hotel room all season?

 

[ElChingon]

Congratulations to all the posters in the Jakscke thread who caused the story to spill.

The Clinic proves it is better at the CN reporting/interrogation than the CN website

In closing, I really feel so sorry Tommy D couldn't write his own sob story of dreaming of being a pro bike rider as he rode his tricycle as a kid , awwweeee...

Next up, UCI to force pro riders to be interrogated by the Clinic posters when posting up a odd Blood test!

Clinic : 1
CN Reports & JV: 0

 

[benzwire]

I think he's managing the fallout of the USADA info that is about to flow. He's protecting his riders.

There is most certainly a storm coming

I agree and I too think this is just a calculated "leak" to get ahead of the coming sh*ttorm when the USADA releases everything. JV certainly knew what he was doing.

 

[zigmeister]

This feels like he has been outing them against their will and knowledge. If this is the case and I were one of them I would have felt terribly betrayed. Did he actually think here were only 12 foil hats sending personal messages? Presumably Cyclingnews must have contacted him to get a confirmation that it was actually him writing this stuff. You'd think he could have told them to not write the story in exchange for some bigger story in a few weeks? Or just to be decent? Suddenly Cyclingnews is outing dopers on the basis of forum posts, in the illreputed Clinic, no less. Is this just some sort of charade?

Anyway, this seems to confirm that Zabriskie and Vandevelde asked to not be considered for the London Olympics because they had admitted to doping to USADA. And as Leipheimer and Hincapie did the same, at the same time, they probably had the same reason. It was the only plausible explanation of course. Big George is indeed one of the USADA 10+.

One has to assume that these three all knew when USADA went up against LA and were questioned, eventually one way or another, it was coming out. When, they didnt know. But it likely wasnt in their thoughts it would be by JV on here.

With that said, since last week USADA announced they are releasing the evidence to the UCI and public, they had to know in a matter of two weeks, it was going to get out.

 

[ElChingon]

The thread should be stickied forever to show how its done

 

[The Hitch]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/search.php?searchid=2200630

Cheers.

Imagine if it turned out JV1973 is a troll account

 

[hrotha]

I'm still mad at the report for failing to mention WADA at all. That was one of the central points in the discussion.

 

[Epicycle]

Also, let's keep in mind that the dialog occurred over the course of 5 hours (from 11:00 local to 16:00 local) so it wasn't a single, spur-of-the-moment thing.

And I made a comment about how he had just outed Danielson's doping, which hrotha quoted and made a joke about, while JV was still on the forum. I'm pretty sure JV read that because he responded to other posts afterwords and the posting volume was relatively low at the time...so he knew exactly what he'd done. Still, I think CN should have contacted JV before they ran the story on the front page.

 

[ToreBear]

I'm still mad at the report for failing to mention WADA at all. That was one of the central points in the discussion.

Yep, thats another thing lacking in the article.

 

[AcademyCC]

I don't know. You ever had a situation where you thought you were having a nice discussion and then revisit it sometime later and be horrified at the dung you wrote?

Sure happened to me.

Hrotha is right. The "cozy" atmosphere of the padded walls makes people get a little carried away.

It happens to me quite often but I'm not JV. No one else here is one of the central figures in this case. We have very limited knowledge of the situation compared to him.

If I were him I would gladly come on here and put try to get my story across but he had just gone on about how it's so important to only disclose names to USADA/WADA. Their would always be certain things I would never discuss. He always comes across as being in tune with his riders, I honestly can't see him making a mistake like that on here.

He knows whats coming hence he made his admission, now he is managing this situation for his riders.

 

[MacRoadie]

Still, I think CN should have contacted JV before they ran the story on the front page.

Well, do we know that is the case?

 

[the big ring]

Still, I think CN should have contacted JV before they ran the story on the front page.

Completely disagree.

If JV writes something in a public forum it already has tacit permission attached to it. You don't need to login to read the forum.

I can guarantee you more media outlets than CN are reading the Clinic and being first to the punch is their right given they provide the medium in the first place.

 

[MacRoadie]

I can guarantee you more media outlets than CN are reading the Clinic and being first to the punch is their right given they provide the medium in the first place.

I agree. How many times have we seen articles in WSJ, NY Daily News, on CNN, ESPN.COM, etc. that cite "online forums" as secondary sources?

Guess who they're talking about...

 

[Kender]

Completely disagree.

If JV writes something in a public forum it already has tacit permission attached to it. You don't need to login to read the forum.

I can guarantee you more media outlets than CN are reading the Clinic and being first to the punch is their right given they provide the medium in the first place.

here is food for thought... the thread is on the CN forums, therfore it's effectively their property. are other news outlets allowed to use these forum posts in their own articles?

 

[eyemgh]

I don't believe JV is naive enough to believe that information wouldn't have oozed its way out into the broader consciousness. The mea culpa was part of the show.

Don't read that as dislike or distrust for or of JV. I like him. He's just too savvy to let something like that "slip out" unintentionally.

M