Vaughters confirms past doping by Danielson, others at Garmin

[reginagold]

JV revealing now (vs. at some readily available earlier date) is an attempt to front run the campaign by Fabiani and the rest of LA's team to destroy the witnesses the moment they are publicly identified by USADA.

Kind of blows up JV's world though, as he's sat on this for how long?

 

[Kender]

i get the impression he's finally said enough is enough with all the cloak and dagger stuff. he wants it all out there

 

[Maxiton]

Completely disagree.

If JV writes something in a public forum it already has tacit permission attached to it. You don't need to login to read the forum.

I can guarantee you more media outlets than CN are reading the Clinic and being first to the punch is their right given they provide the medium in the first place.

I was going to say that I hope CN would approach these things with a bit of delicacy, but you make a great point.

Very true, but this is more on line with the Pope outing his peers for the wrongdoings we all know happen and the bear **** in your food.

Wait, what's this about bears?

Still can't believe that he called out Danielson. After a few brief conversations about him with HWSBN, I thought for sure that he was clean. What a disappointent.
Now it appears that things were possibly not all that lily white with Chipotle/Slipstream.
Was TD using with Disco or with JV's team?

I guess it's a fair question, but logic tells you JV isn't going to bring all this up and then hide the fact it's his own team's activities he's talking about.

JV's statements on here were a whole lot of brave and maybe a little bit of foolish, too, but I'm glad he did it, and without seeming premeditation.

I for one am now four square in the Garmin camp. That was an amazing thing to see, and an amazing thing for JV to do. I hope his riders are okay with it. I really don't know how much more frank JV could be.

 

[hiero2]

JV revealing now (vs. at some readily available earlier date) is an attempt to front run the campaign by Fabiani and the rest of LA's team to destroy the witnesses the moment they are publicly identified by USADA.

Kind of blows up JV's world though, as he's sat on this for how long?

Nah, doesn't blow up his world - the easiest time to decide to change where you live is when the hurricane is on it's way, yes?

However, that said, my view of JV is much less negative than most here. I think he has been remarkably open in his attempt to continue a bicycle-related career, and successfully forge a path there. Please remember how many have not done so - Landis and Basson come immediately to mind.

 

[nighttrain]

It's happening....

The omertà in the US Pro cycling community is unraveling and a generation of US dopers are being exposed. Some popular, genuinely nice fellows are being named but that's part of the cleansing. Best they admit all to the authorities and leave the sport. For those real prospects who chose not to dope and were cheated out of their chance to realize their dreams in pro cycling, you all deserved better.

 

[mwbyrd]

I for one am now four square in the Garmin camp. That was an amazing thing to see, and an amazing thing for JV to do. I hope his riders are okay with it. I really don't know how much more frank JV could be.

This is the question I'd really like answered: I hope his riders are okay with it?

I can't imagine JV going public without their permission. He owes CVV, Zab, and TommyD that kind of respect. I have (and hope) they are on board with this. I kind of figured TommyD got mixed up in the 'stuff', but always kind of hoped that the reason he left Discovery was because he turned down the opportunity to dope. Looks like he may have left so he wouldn't have to dope anymore. And let's not forget about his time on Fasso.

As far as I'm concerned, USADA shouldn't suspend these guys.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Is it just me or does it seem inappropriate for CN to simply transplant the contents of a forum thread (and from the much-maligned Clinic of all places!) onto the homepage?

Not to mention, I don't see how that does anything to encourage more informative and and candid exchanges within the forum. Of course anyone can read the contents of the forum, but doesn't this cross a line?

The fact is, much of the content of The Clinic is simply not ready for prime time due to the predictably hysterical response that much of it would generate if splashed across the homepage. I have to believe that "leaving it in the forum" is the best way to encourage useful content in the future.

Gee whiz though, I suppose this means that The Clinic is more than just 12 basement dwellers after all.


Btw, did CN reach out to JV before openly broadcasting his posts to the not-always-so-informed masses?

I am not a basement dweller...

btw..unless you know personally the relationship JV has with these guys it doesn't really make sense to criticize him..

 

[Kender]

This is the question I'd really like answered: I hope his riders are okay with it?

I can't imagine JV going public without their permission. He owes CVV, Zab, and TommyD that kind of respect. I have (and hope) they are on board with this. I kind of figured TommyD got mixed up in the 'stuff', but always kind of hoped that the reason he left Discovery was because he turned down the opportunity to dope. Looks like he may have left so he wouldn't have to dope anymore. And let's not forget about his time on Fasso.

As far as I'm concerned, USADA shouldn't suspend these guys.

they have to follow the rules or the rules aren't worth having, and the witch hunt myth becomes fact

 

[thehog]

Was TD using with Disco or with JV's team?

Disco only. Bruyneel smashed his immune system with a botched blood bag amoungst other crap. He got really sick and then contracted that parasite problem in Malaysisa.

TDs biggest problem was he wasn't physiologically able to handle a full scale program. It's just wasn't him.

Lance was calling him the "great white hope" in 05 and building him into something he wasn't. He believed in it for a while but after the sickness never again. (ref: beating up on landis at tdG 05)

TDs ex was furious with JB for almost killing her man and wrote it all over her blog. It got ripped down but was cached for months afterwards.

JV saved him from that world. Got him on the team and healthy again.

 

[Kender]

I am not a basement dweller...

well you are number 13

 

[BroDeal]

This is the question I'd really like answered: I hope his riders are okay with it?

I can't imagine JV going public without their permission. He owes CVV, Zab, and TommyD that kind of respect. I have (and hope) they are on board with this. I kind of figured TommyD got mixed up in the 'stuff', but always kind of hoped that the reason he left Discovery was because he turned down the opportunity to dope. Looks like he may have left so he wouldn't have to dope anymore. And let's not forget about his time on Fasso.

As far as I'm concerned, USADA shouldn't suspend these guys.

The code does not allow for that. 3/4th of two years is the minimum, and they should serve some time. To be nice the USADA should start the suspensions before the end of the year. They could still ride the Tour if they get six months.

A few might have confessed to things outside the SOL.

I am not sure how Vaughters should be handled. If you believe him then he confessed to the USADA in 2004. The USADA sat on it until now. It would seem fair that he be suspended even though the SOL has long passed.

 

[mewmewmew13]

So....The Clinic just became the story. Nice.

I am sure Vaughters has spoken about all of this with Danielson, DZ and CVV - I am sure there are no delusions that their past would stay hidden forever. Frankly, their past is a horribly kept secret.

It's so strange....I never liked Floyd until he "came out" and I never really cared for Vaughters until he "came out" - although Vaughters has been growing on me over the last few years with his willingness to get into some tough discussions with fans on Twitter.

So Vaughters - kudos. You kinda rock.

Lol
I like this post velogirl

 

[mewmewmew13]

well you are number 13

Lol...
according to who...

 

[luckyboy]

Vaughters just said the guys aren't ****ed at him for what he said.

 

[Kender]

Lol...
according to who...

according to your name mewmewmew13

 

[mewmewmew13]

according to your name mewmewmew13

I would really like to know..
WHO are 'the Magnificent Seven' then....

 

[Kender]

JV in twitterverse


@CensoredCyclist @nealrogers @nyvelocity This was sheer stupidity. No excuses. I just got too wrapped up in debate.

Pro Cycling Now @ProCyclingNow 15m
@Vaughters @CensoredCyclist @nealrogers @nyvelocity Have you spoken with riders mentioned?
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Jonathan Vaughters
@Vaughters
@ProCyclingNow @Vaughters @CensoredCyclist @nealrogers @nyvelocity of course. No bad mojo.

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nyvelocity @nyvelocity 20m
@Vaughters Are those guys ****ed at you?
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Jonathan Vaughters
@Vaughters
@nyvelocity nope.

 

[BroDeal]

Vaughters just said the guys aren't ****ed at him for what he said.

His riders have been living under the sword of Damocles for two years. It probably feels nice to finally get this crap out of the way so they can move on.

 

[the big ring]

His riders have been living under the sword of Damocles for two years. It probably feels nice to finally get this crap out of the way so they can move on.

They aren't getting a ride anywhere else now, are they? Being ****ed at the only guy who is going to give you a chance to ride as a pro would be career suicide.

I would prefer JV was saying something along the lines of, "we've discussed doing a reveal in the past" or "they knew it was coming" - but that does not seem to be the case.

 

[luckyboy]

They aren't getting a ride anywhere else now, are they? Being ****ed at the only guy who is going to give you a chance to ride as a pro would be career suicide.

They're not getting a ride anywhere else anyway seeing as they're all near the end of their career.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Surreal. The way it goes from Clinic post to cycling outlets, back to the main news page here on CN.

But none of us here are really shocked by what he said, are we? Only that he said it. But even that isn't truly shocking. It's almost certain this is going to be revealed in the weeks to come at the JB, Del Moral and Marti arbitration hearings, or when USADA reveals what it has on LA. If I were these guys I'd rather have JV almost casually spill the beans about the ugly past than anyone. If a reporter now asks them, they can simply refer them back to JV.

As an aside, always suspected to one degree or another doping was poisoning Tommy D. Like he just wasn't the responder that LA was.

 

[luckyboy]

Its kinda shocking he said it considering the general culture around cycling we're used to. I did a double-take when I read it for sure.
The actual statement isn't a shock though, no.

 

[Blakeslee]

This thread is bizarre. The news piece was written from stuff that happened in this very forum. It's a forum thread about a news article about a thread in the same forum.

Ha ha, well said! I've been getting quite a kick out of this. There's now even an article on Velo News about a Cycling News forum thread, which amuses me to no end!

 

[eyemgh]

I feel used, but in a good way.

M

 

[Blakeslee]

On a serious note, I have to applaud Vaughters for what he has been doing over the past couple weeks. Hopefully there will be a domino effect from his comments, with more riders coming forward and finally telling the truth. It would be nice to see others joining Jaksche, Hamilton, Landis and others who are however belatedly talking openly about what has been going on in cycling.