Vaughter's Spine

[buckwheat]

Is your problem that JV didn't do all that he could to better cycling, or that he didn't do all that he could to tear down LA?

Despite the beliefs of some folks here on the Forums, the two are not necessarily one and the same.

What happened when LA and Simeoni returned to the peloton after the chasedown, in 2004 was it?

I think that provides your answer about being one and the same.

You always shoot for the top guy.

edit; not in the gun sense.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Unfortunately the lines are much more blurred than that. Sales managers love sports analogy bs as does the American public.

The lines are so blurred that even bad movie stars get to be major political forces.

People look at endurance sports as analogous to life and feel that it's completely acceptable to view the "losers" of society as those that lacked the will to succeed.

Look at the propaganda of Livestrong and how willpower enabled wonderboy to overcome insurmountable odds. The "welfare queens" lack the rugged individualism and sufficient willpower to live the right way and therefore "deserve" their station in life.

Again, I don't think you're recognizing the cliches of sports bleeding into the reality of everyday living and horrific effects the losers in the game of life have to face....All their fault of course.

BTW, the US is coming very close to having a NON functioning society because of what you cite.

Hence my contention that sport needs to be interpreted outside our social model. It's SPORT.

No one can make a fair analogy re sport and life. One is dependent on your ability to ride a bike fast (in this example), and the other is far too complex to simplify to that level - it involves way too many variables to be able to grind it down to a win/loss dichotomy.

That's part of the glory of sport. No bullsh*t (providing doping and cheating is removed), someone wins. It can provide manifest examples of 'ovecoming' 'dedicaiton' 'struggle' etc etc. But getting that out of sport depends on a bit of suspension of disbelief. It really is only sport afterall...

 

[flicker]

Susan this thread needs to be closed. It's gone too far. You're going to have the website shut down if the slander continues.

I'm very serious. This is really bad. The worst I've seen on this site.

It is OK , sometimes it is good to let people vent out their frustrations.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

I'm sure they told them it was his fault.

People wonder why it's AK-47 time.

My co workers jokingly told me they'd build a monument to me if I came in locked and loaded.

An ex Marine I worked with told everyone he'd rather be in Iraq getting shot at by snipers than dealing with the POS managers there.

Ah, ya gotta laugh.

edit;

teh funny thing is, I look like a cross between Pharmstrong and Jason Statham. They thought I was faking the injury until they saw the MRI which they took a year to do.

Starting to feel pretty good about living in a country where you can't arm yourself. Anyone else getting freaked out?

 

[buckwheat]

Hence my contention that sport needs to be interpreted outside our social model. It's SPORT.

No one can make a fair analogy re sport and life. One is dependent on your ability to ride a bike fast (in this example), and the other is far too complex to simplify to that level - it involves way too many variables to be able to grind it down to a win/loss dichotomy.

That's part of the glory of sport. No bullsh*t (providing doping and cheating is removed), someone wins. It can provide manifest examples of 'ovecoming' 'dedicaiton' 'struggle' etc etc. But getting that out of sport depends on a bit of suspension of disbelief. It really is only sport afterall...

I could not agree with you more on the first sentence.

What I'm saying is that it's not the reality.

 

[buckwheat]

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[JMBeaushrimp]

I could not agree with you more on the first sentence.

What I'm saying is that it's not the reality.

Hey, I'm an idealist. One of the great joys of being an idealist is that you don't really have to face reality. Gotta love it...

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

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[buckwheat]

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[flicker]

Are we talking sport here?

 

[buckwheat]

Hey, I'm an idealist. One of the great joys of being an idealist is that you don't really have to face reality. Gotta love it...

Depending on your religious beliefs, transcending reality might come into play.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

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[buckwheat]

Are we talking sport here?

We're talking about whether JV has a spine. I don't believe that is meant literally as he'd be a medical marvel to be a pro cyclist without one.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Depending on your religious beliefs, transcending reality might come into play.

No religious beliefs, but I certainly like transcending reality...

 

[thehog]

If this thread doesn't get closed I'll be taking action.

 

[buckwheat]

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[JMBeaushrimp]

We're talking about whether JV has a spine. I don't believe that is meant literally as he'd be a medical marvel to be a pro cyclist without one.

Actually, if you look at the numbers for bone-density and spinal bone-mass among pros, then they all might be riding with only half a spine. Interesting...

 

[buckwheat]

Are we talking sport here?

Depends. If we're talking about fanboy idolatry, I'd say that falls under the category of religion.

 

[flicker]

What are you guys drinking?

 

[buckwheat]

Actually, if you look at the numbers for bone-density and spinal bone-mass among pros, then they all might be riding with only half a spine. Interesting...

CVV should have a look at this post.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

What are you guys drinking?

kool-aid. lots and lots of yummy kool-aid. join us, flicker... JOIN US!

 

[buckwheat]

What are you guys drinking?

@lancearmstrong haterade!

Got to admit, that's a good one from "Lance."

 

[buckwheat]

If this thread doesn't get closed I'll be taking action.

You let a thread entitled "Vaughters' Spine" get to 15 pages before you decided you'd had enough?

 

[andy1234]

Thomas Jefferson, one of our founders had interesting beliefs on bloodshed watering the tree of liberty.

As I've noted. I'm not armed and believe a functioning Democracy averts violence.

I imagine Jefferson was referring to his tree and his liberty.

 

[buckwheat]

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