Verbruggen denies ???

[MacRoadie]

You'd think they'd try to maintain some semblence of credibility by saying they take the accusations seriously and are investigating the matter.

Unfortunately for the UCI, that response would be more farcical than the one they actually gave.

 

[MarkvW]

I'm stunned by the way the UCI have handled this mess.

First they issue a statement claiming Landis is bats (imagine a governing body issuing such a knee-jerk reaction), then the former head says he's positive Armstrong never doped.

You'd think they'd try to maintain some semblence of credibility by saying they take the accusations seriously and are investigating the matter.

Unbelievable.

I'm dating myself, but this kind of behavior is not new to me. Avery Brundage was, for a very long time, head of the IOC. He was never accountable to anyone, it seemed.

Does anyone know anything about who comprises the UCI Congress? These are the people who elect McQuaid. Can change come from that angle?

 

[tubularglue]

sylvia schenk 500,000$ would be a good start

this must mean very little.

never never never never never never never never never never never have i taken anonymous donations................................

By Agence France Presse

“There is obviously a strong relationship with Armstrong,” Schenk added. “The UCI took a lot of money from Armstrong – to my knowledge 500,000 dollars – and now there is speculation that there are financial connections to Armstrong, as well as the American market. I do not know what sort of connections Verbruggen has.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2005...t-blasts-ucis-handling-of-armstrong-case_8889

 

[tubularglue]

"I doubt that a positive result could be covered up in return of a payment," the lawyer and chairwoman of an international organisation fighting corruption, Transparency International, told Cyclingnews on Monday. "But I could imagine that a medical explanation - whether accurate or not - would be found and accepted."

sylvia schenk,

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/schenk-encourages-independent-investigation-of-uci

While Schenk dismissed the idea that the UCI could cover up a positive doping result in return for a bribe - simply because national federations and accredited labs would also have knowledge of it - she did not discard other forms of corruption.

 

[rata de sentina]

For some reason whenever I think of Hein, I think of Monty Python. What a loon.

 

[rata de sentina]

please..... like Hein Verbruggen is going to testify against a "Business partner/associated"........

Well I don't think anyone expects Hein to testify. What is perplexing is this crazy rush to defend someone that is not his place to defend. People close to Hein need to be concerned about his mental state because he seems to have really lost the plot.

 

[yourwelcome]

What is perplexing is this crazy rush to defend someone that is not his place to defend. People close to Hein need to be concerned about his mental state because he seems to have really lost the plot.

Normally I'd take Clinic comments like 'such and such is insane/lost the plot' etc. with a large pinch of salt, but this one doesn't need any seasoning.

Could it possibly have been completely misreported? If not, it's just plain bizarre behavior from somebody in his professional position.

 

[Race Radio]

Does anyone know anything about who comprises the UCI Congress? These are the people who elect McQuaid. Can change come from that angle?

McQuaid is elected by the National Federations. Each has one vote....this means the Fed of Yemen has the same power as Italy.

 

[rata de sentina]

Could it possibly have been completely misreported? If not, it's just plain bizarre behavior from somebody in his professional position.

Well I was also thinking of some of the other stuff he has said recently including those emails to Landis. By comparison McQuaids rather bungling statements have been quite tame. Isn't Verbruggen still involved in the IOC these days?

 

[lurveleven]

Isn't Verbruggen still involved in the IOC these days?

Dutch honorary member of the International Olympic Committee since 2008. Previously, he was a member of the IOC and Chairman of the Coordination Commission for the Games of the XXIX Olympiad in Beijing in 2008

from wikipedia

 

[Epicycle]

Well I was also thinking of some of the other stuff he has said recently including those emails to Landis. By comparison McQuaids rather bungling statements have been quite tame. Isn't Verbruggen still involved in the IOC these days?

What's crazy is that Verbruggen is the president of an entity called Sportaccord which aims to unite the different sports federations of the world and "be a role model for good governance and social responsibility and identifies with key values such as neutrality, transparency, and accountability". This includes helping the different federations create and maintain antidoping programs. You couldn't make this stuff up, it's too insane.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

And, for about the eight thousandth time, they didn't start reporting results to WADA until 2004.

+ 8001 We don't seem to be able to restate this point enough.

Hein is lying about the 2001 tests going to WADA. I don't like his credibility.

 

[sniper]

+ 8001 We don't seem to be able to restate this point enough.

Hein is lying about the 2001 tests going to WADA. I don't like his credibility.

indeed.

and i'm sad that the cyclingnews.com editors aren't picking up on this small but oh-so significant fact and continue to uncritically quote verdruggen's bs excuse(s).

 

[Benotti69]

indeed.

and i'm sad that the cyclingnews.com editors aren't picking up on this small but oh-so significant fact and continue to uncritically quote verdruggen's bs excuse(s).

don't hold your breath for the cycling media to actually practice some journalism.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

indeed.

and i'm sad that the cyclingnews.com editors aren't picking up on this small but oh-so significant fact and continue to uncritically quote verdruggen's bs excuse(s).

Yeah that irritates me too.

'...'While Schenk dismissed the idea that the UCI could cover up a positive doping result in return for a bribe - simply because national federations and accredited labs would also have knowledge of it - she did not discard other forms of corruption.

Would that national federation be USA cycling by any chance?

Imagine Hein stating Even if we would like, it would not be possible to bury a positive test. Test results are not only to the UCI, but also to the USAC....

 

[Mr.38%]

McQuaid is elected by the National Federations. Each has one vote....this means the Fed of Yemen has the same power as Italy.

I like Yemens credibility more than Italys credibility.

 

[Van der Slagmollen]

Never say never.

Drat!beat me to it........off the back again.He does say that Oedidpus Tex and him are not friends-you don't want to mix business with pleasure after all

 

[tubularglue]

pieces starting to fall into place.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Looks like Hein won't be having lunch with Ashenden any time soon.

 

[thehog]

Looks like Hein won't be having lunch with Ashenden any time soon.

I liked Ashenden's analysis of the sutuation:

--
Asheden replies: “Mr Verbruggen’s quote is no more or less insightful than Armstrong saying he was tested 500 times and never tested positive. It’s a truism that he has not been sanctioned for doping, but I dispute what Verbruggen said about Armstrong never having used drugs (which is a very different thing to him being sanctioned). I’ve said before that there’s no doubt in my mind that Armstrong used EPO in the 1999 Tour de France.

For Mr Verbruggen to deny that is just unfathomable to me. The only other possibility than Armstrong injecting EPO was that the French lab deliberately spiked the samples. No one has ever given any plausible account for how that might have been accomplished. Spiking or injecting. They’re the only two possibilities. So essentially Mr Verbruggen is inferring that the Paris lab did precisely what the UCI denies is impossible for the Lausanne lab to have done – tamper with a test outcome.”


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ashendens-view-on-armstrong-doping-allegations

 

[lurveleven]

ironic how uci and mcqaffi lost their marbles when spain's president went public with support to contador, and now verbruggen does the same for gunderson
-.-

 

[sniper]

ironic how uci and mcqaffi lost their marbles when spain's president went public with support to contador, and now verbruggen does the same for gunderson
-.-

+1. good point.

 

[powerste]

ironic how uci and mcqaffi lost their marbles when spain's president went public with support to contador, and now verbruggen does the same for gunderson
-.-

Further indication of the gulf that exists between Hein and reality...

 

[Polish]

I liked Ashenden's analysis of the sutuation:

--
The only other possibility than Armstrong injecting EPO was that the French lab deliberately spiked the samples. No one has ever given any plausible account for how that might have been accomplished. Spiking or injecting. They’re the only two possibilities. So essentially Mr Verbruggen is inferring that the Paris lab did precisely what the UCI denies is impossible for the Lausanne lab to have done – tamper with a test outcome.”


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ashendens-view-on-armstrong-doping-allegations

So Ashenden confirms a spiked sample is possible. Yikes.
One of only two possibilities.
That is a change. Ashenden previously said spiking was not possible....

So it IS possible that the French lab spiked.
It is therefore possible the Lausanne lab spiked too.

Yikes, a Lab could try to blackmail a well-to-do cyclist like Lance.
A rider with a lot to lose.

They could probably meet with Lance and demand a tidy sum.
Maybe as much as $500,000?

Of course, covering up a positive still seems impossible.
Ashenden would probably agree to that.

 

[skippythepinhead]

So Ashenden confirms a spiked sample is possible. Yikes.
One of only two possibilities.
That is a change. Ashenden previously said spiking was not possible....

So it IS possible that the French lab spiked.
It is therefore possible the Lausanne lab spiked too.

Yikes, a Lab could try to blackmail a well-to-do cyclist like Lance.
A rider with a lot to lose.

They could probably meet with Lance and demand a tidy sum.
Maybe as much as $500,000?

Of course, covering up a positive still seems impossible.
Ashenden would probably agree to that.

That one's all right but you're going to have so much work to do in the next few weeks that we really need you on your "A" game. I smiled, but you're going to have to effort to get the full laugh. The next one, OK?