Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[number0]

Wut? Nibali is a great descender. The best of GT riders. Froome is nowhere near him.

o yea.but he crashes sometimes..Lombardia 2010-2012, pescara's stage giro 2013..Salvoldeli never crashed,for example..

 

[number0]

As much as I like Nibali he has a chance to win the Tour only if Froome will not be the one of this year. Or if he crash. Or if the route is filled with descent finishes and hilly stages.

i think that nibali is a rider for Giro.or Vuelta.
Froome is more man for tour..for the weather,for the discent....for....the movistar team

 

[Eshnar]

o yea.but he crashes sometimes..Lombardia 2010-2012, pescara's stage giro 2013..Salvoldeli never crashed,for example..

he did, actually

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

never write off nibali beforehand.

made that mistake too many times. every single time nibali proved me wrong (well except in classics, but that's not his strongest point anyway)

 

[Parrulo]

o yea.but he crashes sometimes..Lombardia 2010-2012, pescara's stage giro 2013..Salvoldeli never crashed,for example..

I wonder how Salvodelli managed to break his collarbones so often if he never crashed

 

[airstream]

How can criterion of climbing / TTing on one hand and descending on the other one be compared like equivalent factors in terms of GC, guys?..mountain edge is always doomed to embody into real seconds. descending edge almost always takes a rest unused.

Let Froome and Nibali ride a proper 15k+ 7.5+% climb. Nibali willbe thrown into pieces like a puppy and it'll be end of any comparisons.

 

[HCl+HN03]

It's not that unlikely.

However I agree, Froome is similar climbing level, if not better, and better TT'er generally.
Quintana is much better climber, poorer TT'er which could balance.

We have just witnessed a tour where Froome destoyed everyone in the first week. Had an hunger knock in Alpe du Heuz, and lost 30 second to Quintana in Annecy when Froome already had won three stages and overall.

Its stupid to say Quintana is a much better climber than Froome.

 

[SafeBet]

As much as I like Nibali he has a chance to win the Tour only if Froome will not be the one of this year. Or if he crash. Or if the route is filled with descent finishes and hilly stages.

Concur with this entirely.

 

[Pricey_sky]

We have just witnessed a tour where Froome destoyed everyone in the first week. Had an hunger knock in Alpe du Heuz, and lost 30 second to Quintana in Annecy when Froome already had won three stages and overall.

Its stupid to say Quintana is a much better climber than Froome.

I don't think there is a great deal between the Quintana, Froome and Nibali in the log climbs however Froome and Quintana have proved they can attack hard which could put Nibali under serious pressure. Froome will have the advantage of the TT while Quintana has the potential to improve with age and experience.

It's obvious that Nibali has improved from the Tour 2012 however he needed to as he didn't put a single second into Wiggins over the mountains.

 

[HCl+HN03]

I don't think there is a great deal between the Quintana, Froome and Nibali in the log climbs however Froome and Quintana have proved they can attack hard which could put Nibali under serious pressure. Froome will have the advantage of the TT while Quintana has the potential to improve with age and experience.

It's obvious that Nibali has improved from the Tour 2012 however he needed to as he didn't put a single second into Wiggins over the mountains.

I agre with you. I just reacted to that silly comment suggesting that Quintana was a much better climber than Froome, based on what I wonder.

However in last tour, Nibali was climbing in a similar level of Wiggins, Froome proved to be a little stronger. But to this season it seems that both have improved. In Tirreno where I think both where in about same form, Froome was a little stronger in the proper mountain stage. But Nibali showed his talent in the really crazy stage and managed to win the race. So I think Nibali can have a chance next Tour. Time-trialing will be crucial though.

 

[Afrank]

never write off nibali beforehand.

made that mistake too many times. every single time nibali proved me wrong (well except in classics, but that's not his strongest point anyway)

True, the thing about Nibali, is he is one of those riders that can pull off big unexpected moves and surprise everyone. He's not afraid attack full force into a dangerous descent or attack in the rain or on stages that are just hilly and not as suited to attacks for GC. Look at Tirreno, everyone thought Froome had the win easy, but Nibali wasn't about to throw in the towel quite yet.

Underestimate Nibali at your own risk.

 

[Pentacycle]

True, the thing about Nibali, is he is one of those riders that can pull off big unexpected moves and surprise everyone. He's not afraid attack full force into a dangerous descent or attack in the rain or on stages that are just hilly and not as suited to attacks for GC. Look at Tirreno, everyone thought Froome had the win easy, but Nibali wasn't about to throw in the towel quite yet.

Underestimate Nibali at your own risk.

The thing is, he's never succesfully pulled off one of those attacks in a GT. The Giro and Vuelta he won were practically gifted to him because of his consistency.(which ofc is a big accomplishment in itself) But don't confuse the Nibali in preparation races and classics with the one you see in a GT. Especially now, when he's more concerned about his fitness and shape in Firenze.

 

[trevim]

How can criterion of climbing / TTing on one hand and descending on the other one be compared like equivalent factors in terms of GC, guys?..mountain edge is always doomed to embody into real seconds. descending edge almost always takes a rest unused.

Let Froome and Nibali ride a proper 15k+ 7.5+% climb. Nibali willbe thrown into pieces like a puppy and it'll be end of any comparisons.

Like Prato di Tivo? Look Froome is probably a better climber and obviously a better TT'er but he's not destroying Nibali any day of the week.

 

[maxmartin]

The thing is, he's never succesfully pulled off one of those attacks in a GT. The Giro and Vuelta he won were practically gifted to him because of his consistency.(which ofc is a big accomplishment in itself) But don't confuse the Nibali in preparation races and classics with the one you see in a GT. Especially now, when he's more concerned about his fitness and shape in Firenze.

LMAO what a choice of word! Them maybe someday he will be gifted Tout too.

 

[airstream]

Like Prato di Tivo? Look Froome is probably a better climber and obviously a better TT'er but he's not destroying Nibali any day of the week.

On Tivo Froome was heavy and weak..

 

[Eshnar]

On Tivo Froome was heavy and weak..

While Nibali was on top shape right?

 

[airstream]

While Nibali was on top shape right?

I don't know how Nibali was but I know that miserable 8 sec with a 900 meter move doesn't illustrate a precise difference between them like climbers at all.

 

[Eshnar]

I don't know how Nibali was but I know that miserable 8 sec with a 900 meter move doesn't illustrate a precise difference between them like climbers at all.

nothing does, since Froome wasn't at the Giro and Nibali wasn't at the Tour.
If we wanna look at facts, that's it.

 

[Netserk]

nothing does, since Froome wasn't at the Giro and Nibali wasn't at the Tour.
If we wanna look at facts, that's it.

We also have Oman

 

[Pentacycle]

LMAO what a choice of word! Them maybe someday he will be gifted Tout too.

You mean the Tour? Froome, Quintana and Contador would certainly be so kind

 

[whittashau]

climb
Descent

Froome 8
Nibali 9

Really, that awkward skinny guy is almost as good a descender as the guy many riders in the peloton have said is the best?

 

[SafeBet]

True, the thing about Nibali, is he is one of those riders that can pull off big unexpected moves and surprise everyone. He's not afraid attack full force into a dangerous descent or attack in the rain or on stages that are just hilly and not as suited to attacks for GC. Look at Tirreno, everyone thought Froome had the win easy, but Nibali wasn't about to throw in the towel quite yet.

I'd say Nibbles best quality is the ability to stay healthy, avoiding bunch crashes (there's clearly some luck involved here) and illness throughout his GT appearences. He has never abandoned a GT if I'm not mistaken. He's almost always in top shape when he needs to be (Vuelta 2011 being the rare exception). This makes him probably the most consistent rider of his generation.

I think he tends to be more conservative in GTs also because of this. He's learnt when to takes risks and when it's not worth.

 

[murali]

+1.

he has matured a lot as a GT leader

 

[airstream]

nothing does, since Froome wasn't at the Giro and Nibali wasn't at the Tour.
If we wanna look at facts, that's it.

If we wanna look at facts, there won't be 4/5 of threads on the forums.

 

[Eshnar]

If we wanna look at facts, there won't be 4/5 of threads on the forums.

that's absolutely true