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I hope you're right, you're closer to him.LaFlorecita said:Oh it definitely adds up, it's also what Michael Boogerd concluded. He was very cautious on the cobbles, it was obvious. Champions/racers can get scared on wet cobbles. I prefer to believe what all the experts say![]()
That is very true, but he was grinding a huge gear. It is plausible that he couldn't shift anymore and got stuck in a big gear. I mean, even on a bad day, he should be able to hang on to a group on the flat. Either way, he was definitely scared.hrotha said:Scared on the cobbles, yes. Mechanical, meh, same as 4 years ago? Contador always has an excuse.
He is very light, ready for the high mountains it is obvious he was taking it very careful and in the end even hanging for dear life. Unfortunately for him Nibali attacked this stage and basically destroyed all the GC contenders field. I don't think that stage is relevant to Contador's form.LaFlorecita said:That is very true, but he was grinding a huge gear. It is plausible that he couldn't shift anymore and got stuck in a big gear. I mean, even on a bad day, he should be able to hang on to a group on the flat. Either way, he was definitely scared.
Agreed, that's my opinion tooRollthedice said:He is very light, ready for the high mountains it is obvious he was taking it very careful and in the end even hanging for dear life. Unfortunately for him Nibali attacked this stage and basically destroyed all the GC contenders field. I don't think that stage is relevant to Contador's form.
It makes sense that Contador would not want a bike change on the cobbles and lose contact with the bunch but he had teammates with him. I think it was worth changing bikes especially if that was the only problem. It may have been a critical error especially if he loses the race by a narrow margin. Some people said hunger knock but if that was the case he would have lost a lot more than two minutes. As for Contador never mistiming his peak what happened in the 2013 Tour ? Although it has to be admitted that Contador was not himself for most of last season.LaFlorecita said:There are no concerns at all. Just speculation among rival teams. Wishful thinking on their part and also on yours.. The reason he lost time is because he didn't want to take risks (was scared probably) and because he had a mechanical in the last 20k. Contador is a 7 time GT champion, he knows how to time his peak right. He's never misstimed his peak, and why would he do so this time with De Jongh and Riis guiding him?![]()
I couldn't watch the stage live but watching a replay of the last 20kms I had the impression that his cadence was higher than that of riders around him in cobbled as well as in non-cobbled sections.LaFlorecita said:That is very true, but he was grinding a huge gear. It is plausible that he couldn't shift anymore and got stuck in a big gear. I mean, even on a bad day, he should be able to hang on to a group on the flat. Either way, he was definitely scared.
Contador never peaked last year......movingtarget said:As for Contador never mistiming his peak what happened in the 2013 Tour ? Although it has to be admitted that Contador was not himself for most of last season.
That's consistent with what he said was his mechanical problem - he said his smaller cogs were blocked with mud.icefire said:I couldn't watch the stage live but watching a replay of the last 20kms I had the impression that his cadence was higher than that of riders around him in cobbled as well as in non-cobbled sections.
icefire said:I couldn't watch the stage live but watching a replay of the last 20kms I had the impression that his cadence was higher than that of riders around him in cobbled as well as in non-cobbled sections.
Oops, my mistake. I was going off what I'd read somewhereyetiyeti said:That's consistent with what he said was his mechanical problem - he said his smaller cogs were blocked with mud.
Regarding a bike change, we don't know how far back the team car was, there were groups all over the place so perhaps it would have cost more time to change bikes. The only teammate with him was Bennati, he's a fair bit taller so not sure if that would have been an option.movingtarget said:It makes sense that Contador would not want a bike change on the cobbles and lose contact with the bunch but he had teammates with him. I think it was worth changing bikes especially if that was the only problem. It may have been a critical error especially if he loses the race by a narrow margin. Some people said hunger knock but if that was the case he would have lost a lot more than two minutes. As for Contador never mistiming his peak what happened in the 2013 Tour ? Although it has to be admitted that Contador was not himself for most of last season.
Same issue for Valverde. He swapped bikes with a team mate and the seat post was 2.5cm lower. But he couldn't wait for the car as it would take 3-4 minutes to get through. And you can't draft back behind the car like on a regular stage.LaFlorecita said:Regarding a bike change, we don't know how far back the team car was, there were groups all over the place so perhaps it would have cost more time to change bikes. The only teammate with him was Bennati, he's a fair bit taller so not sure if that would have been an option.
Riders are not allowed to take bikes from the roadside I think. Have to come from the car.thehog said:Same issue for Valverde. He swapped bikes with a team mate and the seat post was 2.5cm lower. But he couldn't wait for the car as it would take 3-4 minutes to get through. And you can't draft back behind the car like on a regular stage.
In hindsight it would have been better to keep a spare bike at the feedzone.
Yes it's set up now for a real battle from Saturday onwards. What would have been even more interesting was if Froome was also two minutes down and still in the race but that's history now.Carols said:Contador never peaked last year......
The perfect battle is set up in this race. Nibali came here to Win, he has the same attacking mentality as Contador and doesn't want anything except the top step. He will not ride for a podium. Plus he is riding like a Boss and taking every advantage he can. I wouldn't be surprised if he attacked in the Vosges stages! He doesn't know the meaning of fear
Contador of course never rides for anything but the win and hasn't hit his terrain yet. When he does we'll see just how good Nibali is. 2:30 can be made up by an in form Contador, it is by no means insurmountable. But getting rid of the Shark won't be easy! He is all grit and determination!
This is the Perfect Storm. Two riders who will turn themselves inside out for the top step and aren't worried about defending 2nd place. I thought Nibali would need ~2:00 to be Even with Contador. So he has 2:30 let the games begin!!!
I'm happy to say I can cheer both of them and revel in a win by either. They are my two favorite riders, with Berto getting the edge in my affections. But Nibs in Yellow makes me Grin every single day![]()
Froom won't be two mins down, more like at least 10mins down if he had the guts to keep riding on that stagemovingtarget said:Yes it's set up now for a real battle from Saturday onwards. What would have been even more interesting was if Froome was also two minutes down and still in the race but that's history now.
more importantly LUCK is on his side, he was so close to crash many times in this tour!webbie146 said:Nibali looking really solid on the last hill, was cruising![]()
Scarponi is the one turning back to look, so not himwhittashau said:Was that Kangert or Scarponi who went down in that crash?
I think they can only take wheels or a teammate's wheel.LaFlorecita said:Riders are not allowed to take bikes from the roadside I think. Have to come from the car.
Some of it may be Luck but most is his bike handling skillsmaxmartin said:more importantly LUCK is on his side, he was so close to crash many times in this tour!
Did you watch his reaction to TJVG beginning to go down? He (Nibali) must be on high alert - great reaction / bike handling / with a bit of luck addedCarols said:Some of it may be Luck but most is his bike handling skills![]()
I was zeroed in on his reactions all daypigoonse said:Did you watch his reaction to TJVG beginning to go down? He (Nibali) must be on high alert - great reaction / bike handling / with a bit of luck added![]()