Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[alin.constantin89]

If Nibali has now 4 minutes between him and 2nd place, if he ends the tour with more then 5 minutes then we need to go back in time when Armstrong used to beat the competitors in the general clasifications with +5 minutes , quite impressive

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yet less impressive when the competitors are called Peraud and Van Garderen instead of Ullrich and Beloki

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Don't put words in my mouth.

Guess who has a habit of whining about other riders? Right, Nibali.

Again Nibali looks strong. Do you think anybody can beat him in this race?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

If Nibali has now 4 minutes between him and 2nd place, if he ends the tour with more then 5 minutes then we need to go back in time when Armstrong used to beat the competitors in the general clasifications with +5 minutes , quite impressive

Froome would have won the tour last year by more than 5 minutes if he hadn't soft peddled on the CE stage. Dropped about 60s celebrating on that last stage.

While not the Tour, Contador won the Giro '11 by more than 6 minutes (later banned and stripped of result).

Nibali is in good company with other dominant GT winners.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Again Nibali looks strong. Do you think anybody can beat him in this race?

Of course not. Unless he crashes.

 

[whittashau]

They definitely didn't go ballistic, but it's not like they kept a very slow pace as some posters seem to suggest.

Well, the bunch almost went to a standstill for a second. Supposedly Nibali spoke to Richie Porte and then decided to start riding

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yet less impressive when the competitors are called Peraud and Van Garderen instead of Ullrich and Beloki

Yep! Still a fine performance but just looking at the numbers isn't enough.

 

[whittashau]

When did Nibbles start this whole sticking out his tongue thing? I think it looks really stupid

 

[bambino]

You ignore the fact that the gap to the front of the race was getting smaller. So they weren't taking it easy.[/QUOTE]

And you ignore the fact that everybody (including the front group) knew about the crash and were taking easy and just kept the existing gaps, which more or less happened as the gap between front group and peloton was constant 5 min +-10 sec.

 

[bambino]

You ignore the fact that the gap to the front of the race was getting smaller. So they weren't taking it easy.

And you ignore the fact that everybody, including the front group, knew about the crash and everybody slowed down until it was clear that he can't continue. That's why the gap between front group and peloton stayed more or less in 5 min +-10 sec.

I'm quite sure the announcement of him quitting came to other team few minutes before we actually saw him climbing to team car.

 

[Rollthedice]

Quick question. Why, based on this season, would anybody doubt his ability to beat Froome? Froome hasn't been impressive at all this year. I would have thought it's a given based on his current form that he'd beat Froome.

I guess based on Froome finishing above him in Tour 2012, smashing everybody last year, this year Romandie when he passed Nibali like a TGV while being ill and under strong medication, accelerating like a madman in Dauphine, dropping Vincenzo. But most of all, this season was a total miss until now for Nibali and people didn't trust him when he repeatedly said he'll be ready for Le Tour.

 

[LaFlorecita]

And you ignore the fact that everybody, including the front group, knew about the crash and everybody slowed down until it was clear that he can't continue. That's why the gap between front group and peloton stayed more or less in 5 min +-10 sec.

I'm quite sure the announcement of him quitting came to other team few minutes before we actually saw him climbing to team car.

That makes no sense at all.

 

[ILovecycling]

You know, cyclingnews has live coverage of their own on every stage. It's great because it provides a complete record of everything that is happening. Let's take a look shall we.

So, Contador crashes...


You are correct, Astana started setting the pace.


But the gap falls from 4 minutes to 3:30


And he keeps having to go back to the car for medial and mechanical support.


Astana on the front by this point.


And yet, with Astana on the front and Contador keeping going back to the car, gap is still falling.


Peloton riding tempo, not going ballistic.




Getting closer to his DNF now, surly he's starting to really hurt. And starts losing time. Astana had to at this point move to maintaining the gap to Kwiat.








And he's out. Slowed down in that last 10 minutes before his DNF. But it took over 10 minutes for the gap to start going out again from when he first crashes.

I dont want to say your analysis is wrong.But check it first with broadcast.Live tickers (esp CN one) are usually unusable,cuz those informations are very wrong.
In this case the gap never fell under 3:45 I remember that.

 

[bambino]

That makes no sense at all.

OK - good that you feel like that. Can you also tell why?

 

[LaFlorecita]

OK - good that you feel like that. Can you also tell why?

Sure

And you ignore the fact that everybody, including the front group, knew about the crash and everybody slowed down

That is opinion, not fact.

until it was clear that he can't continue

No, as several cyclists have clearly said, they couldn't wait for him because they had to chase Kwiatkowski. At that point it wasn't clear yet if Contador could continue or not.

That's why the gap between front group and peloton stayed more or less in 5 min +-10 sec.

The gap didn't stay more or less 5 minutes. The gap came down.

I'm quite sure the announcement of him quitting came to other team few minutes before we actually saw him climbing to team car.

And I am 100% sure it didn't. Watch the video again. You can see Contador hanging on the team car, talking to Riis. That is the moment he decides to climb off. 10 seconds later he thanks Rogers and abandons. There is no way the other teams had gotten an announcement that Contador was going to quit before that moment, simply because Contador hadn't decided to quit yet.

But anyway, Contador abandoned, it's done, no use discussing it any further. But please check your facts and use logic before you post.

 

[bambino]

Sure



That is opinion, not fact.


But anyway, Contador abandoned, it's done, no use discussing it any further. But please check your facts and use logic before you post.

Aye My Friend, finally you got it! Yes, it has been opinions all over in AC's topic and here since the crash. Very little facts, including your OPINIONS about AC winning this tour would he still be there, or that Astana increased the pace. I think this is exactly what Afrank tried to stop 2 pages ago, but you guys just kept going on speculating.

I'll stop writing non-fact based opinions immediately when you stop as well, or alternatively you show the rule that only members with 15,000 or more posts are allowed to do that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Nothing else to post...

Aye My Friend, finally you got it! Yes, it has been opinions all over in AC's topic and here since the crash. Very little facts, including your OPINIONS about AC winning this tour would he still be there, or that Astana increased the pace. I think this is exactly what Afrank tried to stop 2 pages ago, but you guys just kept going on speculating.

I'll stop writing non-fact based opinions immediately when you stop as well, or alternatively you show the rule that only members with 15,000 or more posts are allowed to do that.

 

[cineteq]

Am I in the Nibali discussion thread or Contador's?

 

[bambino]

Am I in the Nibali discussion thread or Contador's?

Exactly.

10 char

 

[Jspear]

Am I in the Nibali discussion thread or Contador's?

From what I've read its still directly related to Nibali and Astana. Sometimes in talking about a certain rider you end up talking about others (in how they are affected and relate to the certain riders thread.)

 

[Afrank]

I thought it was cool when Rory Sutherland said on twitter
"I am biast, but should Astana be riding so hard on the front when your biggest adversary crashes?? Its racing but not sure about that."

Rory is wrong there.

I dont want to say your analysis is wrong.But check it first with broadcast.Live tickers (esp CN one) are usually unusable,cuz those informations are very wrong.
In this case the gap never fell under 3:45 I remember that.

In my experience CN is accurate with there overall view of what happened in a race. You might find the occasional mistake from them receiving some misinformation during the race, but for the most part it's accurate.

I watched the stage live and what they have written is a exactly how I remember it. So I'm going to trust it.

 

[Carols]

Well another day checked off for Lo Squalo. That move he made, like a Ferrari, to infiltrate the BMC team in the wind will become part of his legend. He quite simply has Not missed a move in this entire race. Each and every day he impresses more! Totally Bossing this race!

 

[maxmartin]

Well another day checked off for Lo Squalo. That move he made, like a Ferrari, to infiltrate the BMC team in the wind will become part of his legend. He quite simply has Not missed a move in this entire race. Each and every day he impresses more! Totally Bossing this race!

glad u did not lose the pic at that moment

 

[ILovecycling]

Rory is wrong there.



In my experience CN is accurate with there overall view of what happened in a race. You might find the occasional mistake from them receiving some misinformation during the race, but for the most part it's accurate.

I watched the stage live and what they have written is a exactly how I remember it. So I'm going to trust it.

Weird,nvm not so important to analyse it.

 

[whittashau]

Thought I'd repost this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Bs_hfqBCQAAOFpX.mp4