Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[ICEROCK]

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If he doesn't win the Tour, and I think he won't, his season will be disaster. He has no chance in Vuelta, after the Tour, Worlds doesn't suit him, he can't win Lombardy on this new course, and other races are not good enough for the rider of his caliber...

He could've won a few Vueltas by now if he wanted to... you really think he wants to?

Yeah, I actually think he would like that, and want that... although not as much as Giro or Tour, and that's why he rode them in 2011 and 2013, but failed to win. In that years he rode Giro before Vuelta, and he wasn't capable of reaching his 100% form in the Vuelta. Imagine then what percent of his top form he would reach with Tour in his legs. That's why I'm saying that he'll hardly win Vuelta. Of course if he would targeting only Vuelta, he would probably be the top favorite.

He was targeting Worlds is why he gifted the Vuelta to PH. Because he doesn't target **** small races.

Well he certainly got that right, with his targeting I mean, considering how he manage to do in that same Worlds, 4th place is a big success for him! He's never been placed higher, I understand his logic now, complete success for him.
And Vuelta a small race, name three bigger. I guess you are one of those "Tour" lovers

TOUR IS EVERYTHING. Ten veulta is no better than one Tour. That is the sad truth of the current cycling world.

 

[Mr.White]

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TOUR IS EVERYTHING. Ten veulta is no better than one Tour. That is the sad truth of the current cycling world.

Well for me it isn't. Tour is the biggest race, but far, far from everything. And for that matter I like both, the Giro and Vuelta, much more than Tour.

 

[SafeBet]

Nibali was a rider that was at the front almost the entire year. Winning t-a and always a challenger in the 1-day races, but it seems he's doing it exactly like last year. Invisible and only good during the TdF.

I really liked that offensive aggressive Nibali that was good and attacking all year long. I really do not like this Nibali, allthough I'm sure he will be aggresive during the TdF again and will enjoy his rides there, but I have no love/respect for riders that only peak for July.

I feel the same, he was an unique guy, great all year long and attacking, always animating the classics, how many modern GT winners get a podium in Milano – San Remo? It's a shame, people became his fans because of those things.

I agree with both. And with Netserk and whoever else said this. I want the old Nibali back. Even if that means never winning the Tour again. Or even never winning a GT again. I want a rider to cheer for all year long.

 

[ICEROCK]

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Nibali was a rider that was at the front almost the entire year. Winning t-a and always a challenger in the 1-day races, but it seems he's doing it exactly like last year. Invisible and only good during the TdF.

I really liked that offensive aggressive Nibali that was good and attacking all year long. I really do not like this Nibali, allthough I'm sure he will be aggresive during the TdF again and will enjoy his rides there, but I have no love/respect for riders that only peak for July.

I feel the same, he was an unique guy, great all year long and attacking, always animating the classics, how many modern GT winners get a podium in Milano – San Remo? It's a shame, people became his fans because of those things.

I agree with both. And with Netserk and whoever else said this. I want the old Nibali back. Even if that means never winning the Tour again. Or even never winning a GT again. I want a rider to cheer for all year long.

Obviously, Nibali changed quite a lot in the past few years. Maybe he realized that he can't win big GT if he peaks for races such as MSR or LBL in the spring.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Nibali was a rider that was at the front almost the entire year. Winning t-a and always a challenger in the 1-day races, but it seems he's doing it exactly like last year. Invisible and only good during the TdF.

I really liked that offensive aggressive Nibali that was good and attacking all year long. I really do not like this Nibali, allthough I'm sure he will be aggresive during the TdF again and will enjoy his rides there, but I have no love/respect for riders that only peak for July.

I feel the same, he was an unique guy, great all year long and attacking, always animating the classics, how many modern GT winners get a podium in Milano – San Remo? It's a shame, people became his fans because of those things.

I agree with both. And with Netserk and whoever else said this. I want the old Nibali back. Even if that means never winning the Tour again. Or even never winning a GT again. I want a rider to cheer for all year long.

Me too. But he developed into the most consistent GT rider from the last years, he is guaranteed to podium every one he enters. So this is what he is paid for. Maybe if Astana is going down and he'll have to change team things will be different.

 

[Red Rick]

It's just dumb, Nibali was great in the Giro 2013, his Tour win was better but there he crushed too, and he was competitive and decisive from march to october.

 

[movingtarget]

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It's just dumb, Nibali was great in the Giro 2013, his Tour win was better but there he crushed too, and he was competitive and decisive from march to october.

His Giro win would have been as good as his Tour win if all the mountains stages were completed. He was untouchable in both races. I hope he gets back to that sort of form in July as it will make the Tour much more interesting.

 

[whittashau]

It seems that everyone is assuming that this new Nibali we've seen this last year is because he's trying to "super peek" for the Tour, but isn't it more likely that since the birth of his child he's just less inclined to train like a mad-man all year round?

 

[SeriousSam]

Outclimbed by Andre Greipel, dear oh dear.

 

[jens_attacks]

well did lance armstrong ever cared about sanremo after 99? i don't think so.
let's see on col du soudet then we talk

 

[Dazed and Confused]

What a joke.

 

[jens_attacks]

truth be told now, nibali could never ever win a sanremo. he couldn't even do it with le manie on the route.same with valverde
he could have attacked on cipressa again, a pirazzi attack but no more. let's judge him after liege, now there he can win.

 

[DBotero]

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Well,i thought that this year he's got to defend his TDF title,not try to win a bunch sprint in MSR

 

[Arredondo]

We all know Nibali can't win MSR. But the fact he didn't do a single thing in this race, and being one of the first riders dropped on the Poggio, is just really poor.

The Nibali of the last two years is just some boring regular rider who only rides strong for three weeks in july.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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The Nibali of the last two years is just some boring regular rider who only rides strong for three weeks in july.

AKA Andy

 

[Arredondo]

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The Nibali of the last two years is just some boring regular rider who only rides strong for three weeks in july.

AKA Andy

 

[LaFlorecita]

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The Nibali of the last two years is just some boring regular rider who only rides strong for three weeks in july.

AKA Andy

Nibali won stages at the Tour too

PS look at his wrist

 

[Arredondo]

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I just wanted to remember you how Andy looked like

 

[Big Doopie]

i think the comparisons to both schlecklet and armstrong are particularly pertinent.

lol.

 

[Rollthedice]

In the shape he is it would have been just plain dumb to expect something today. Climbing with Greipel is about all that he can do after 280K. Some real training should take place from now on including altitude and weight loss. Hope Astana will still be in business until he'll start showing something.

 

[Pippo_San]

People called him finished last year. Pathetic cynics everywhere already proven wrong.
Keep on underestimating the guy.
Keep on being pathetics.

Haters gonna hate

 

[LaFlorecita]

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uhhhh so apparently Nibali avoids jail time for unpaid tax
http://www.cicloweb.it/news/2015/03/22/ ... -ne-restit

 

[rhubroma]

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People called him finished last year. Pathetic cynics everywhere already proven wrong.
Keep on underestimating the guy.
Keep on being pathetics.

Haters gonna hate

Too much on the engine last year.

Apart from this and the Astana affair, Nibali has also been brought to task for tax evasion.

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/22-03-2015/nibali-evasione-fiscale-2010-2011-110198340495.shtml

 

[rhubroma]

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uhhhh so apparently Nibali avoids jail time for unpaid tax
http://www.cicloweb.it/news/2015/03/22/ ... -ne-restit

No Flo in Italy nobody goes to jail for tax evasion and if you are rich you just cut a deal and pay a percentage of what you actually owe and everyone lives happily ever after.

Cipollini and Bettini were in the same boat (residences in Monaco), as was Valentino Rossi (residence in London).

 

[Flamin]

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uhhhh so apparently Nibali avoids jail time for unpaid tax
http://www.cicloweb.it/news/2015/03/22/ ... -ne-restit

No Flo in Italy nobody goes to jail for tax evasion and if you are rich you just cut a deal and pay a percentage of what you actually owe and everyone lives happily ever after.

Cipollini and Bettini were in the same boat (residences in Monaco), as was Valentino Rossi (residence in London).

That happens in a lot of countries.