Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[SeriousSam]

Yeah, I mean despite Nibali's only focus being the Tour, he's still deemed considerably less likely to win it than Quintana, Froome and AC. It might be worth it not to put every egg into one basket when it's not unlikely those eggs will get crushed and annihilated.

 

[Angliru]

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All you guys got is numbers from Nibali going full gas when he wanted, because he was so better than everybody else. If he had a competitor like Contador/Schleck or Contador/Rasmussen where they play "stop and go" his numbers would never be that good, and you know it. The fact is that he has never been able to match AC and CF head-to-head.

And i dont give a f*uck about the "Nibali never went full gas" - he always look the same even when he's strugling. People talk about "Nibali look so cool, look at his stone face, he's ready" bang, next minute he's dropped like a stone. Dont try read anything on his face or style.

Nibali trained specifically to handle those changes in pace during his last training block. His explosiveness during The tour was impressive to say the least.

So in the end we have Ferrari with around 30 years of experience working with pro athletes and some no-body on a internet forum making contradictory statements. I wonder who the majority will believe.

As much as I agree with you contentual, that last remark doesn't make your statement stronger.

You can think of the man whatever you want but nobody can deny his expertise and knowledge regarding endurance sports.

There's a reason Lance told Bruyneel to call him for advice when Pantani attacked and went solo..

...because they were too scared and stupid to do the math themselves?

 

[HelloDolly]

I'd say Nibali will do Tour & Vuelta

 

[Red Rick]

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Nibali was a rider that was at the front almost the entire year. Winning t-a and always a challenger in the 1-day races, but it seems he's doing it exactly like last year. Invisible and only good during the TdF.

I really liked that offensive aggressive Nibali that was good and attacking all year long. I really do not like this Nibali, allthough I'm sure he will be aggresive during the TdF again and will enjoy his rides there, but I have no love/respect for riders that only peak for July.

Dingdingdingdingding

 

[ray j willings]

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jspear "He isn't as strong as LA; he shouldn't try to model his approach after Armstrong's. Do we know that his sponsors were happy last year? We know his managers weren't. Also how many times do things go the exact same way two years in a row? AC and Froome aren't guaranteed to crash out this year again giving him a free ride to paris."

Well it worked last year and we won't know how good Nib's is going this year is until the tour. I would imagine having a big GT winner on board kept the sponsors happy. I don't think the sponsors are going to interfere with the TOUR DE FRANCE champions preparation. It worked for LA 7 times so that's not a bad template to follow?
I understand your point but I just don't presume anything. I think Nibs still has a lot to prove but last years tour win left us with questions that can only be answered if we get a strong healthy line up this year.

 

[Jelantik]

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he did well before, but well enough to beat froome, contador or quintana?
after last year the criticism that he didn't beat any of the above probably really chafes, he wants to give himself the best possible shot at the tour. if he wins then maybe he goes back to being the rider he was before.

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if he wins again, vino will most likely to ask him for three peat!! he will be back to invisible all season then show up at TDF. So it's better he doesn't win if we want to see him creating havoc in his early season.

 

[Parrulo]

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Nibali was a rider that was at the front almost the entire year. Winning t-a and always a challenger in the 1-day races, but it seems he's doing it exactly like last year. Invisible and only good during the TdF.

I really liked that offensive aggressive Nibali that was good and attacking all year long. I really do not like this Nibali, allthough I'm sure he will be aggresive during the TdF again and will enjoy his rides there, but I have no love/respect for riders that only peak for July.

^^this

Still like the guy, but nowhere near how much i liked him before he became this type of rider.

This coming from a guy that was once one of his biggest supporters on the forum.

 

[Miburo]

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Nibali was a rider that was at the front almost the entire year. Winning t-a and always a challenger in the 1-day races, but it seems he's doing it exactly like last year. Invisible and only good during the TdF.

I really liked that offensive aggressive Nibali that was good and attacking all year long. I really do not like this Nibali, allthough I'm sure he will be aggresive during the TdF again and will enjoy his rides there, but I have no love/respect for riders that only peak for July.

^^this

Still like the guy, but nowhere near how much i liked him before he became this type of rider.

This coming from a guy that was once one of his biggest supporters on the forum.

You know there's still the pic of contador with that trophy, maybe change your prof pic to that one

I think some of you are a bit too harsh on him, i'm sure he'll be up there at LBL but yea it seems only 1 race really counts now

 

[Netserk]

Maybe we are harsh, but that is because we have become used to so much more. Nibali has always been an animator. Now he is just some background noise. Ugh

 

[Arredondo]

Indeed, this Nibali doesn't bring much extra to cycling. I want the old Nibali back

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

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He isn't as strong as LA; he shouldn't try to model his approach after Armstrong's. Do we know that his sponsors were happy last year? We know his managers weren't. Also how many times do things go the exact same way two years in a row? AC and Froome aren't guaranteed to crash out this year again giving him a free ride to paris.

What can VN realistically do this season that would amount to more than a podium at the tdf?

edit: typo

 

[Mr.White]

If he doesn't win the Tour, and I think he won't, his season will be disaster. He has no chance in Vuelta, after the Tour, Worlds doesn't suit him, he can't win Lombardy on this new course, and other races are not good enough for the rider of his caliber...

 

[Rollthedice]

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He isn't as strong as LA; he shouldn't try to model his approach after Armstrong's. Do we know that his sponsors were happy last year? We know his managers weren't. Also how many times do things go the exact same way two years in a row? AC and Froome aren't guaranteed to crash out this year again giving him a free ride to paris.

What can AN realistically do this season that would amount to more than a podium at the tdf?

Who is AN?

 

[ICEROCK]

WOW Nibali still TT pretty good, despite not being in his best condition.

 

[Netserk]

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If he doesn't win the Tour, and I think he won't, his season will be disaster. He has no chance in Vuelta, after the Tour, Worlds doesn't suit him, he can't win Lombardy on this new course, and other races are not good enough for the rider of his caliber...

Lombardia will have a different route to last year. Next year will be the same as last year though.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

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If he doesn't win the Tour, and I think he won't, his season will be disaster. He has no chance in Vuelta, after the Tour, Worlds doesn't suit him, he can't win Lombardy on this new course, and other races are not good enough for the rider of his caliber...

He could've won a few Vueltas by now if he wanted to... you really think he wants to?

 

[ICEROCK]

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If he doesn't win the Tour, and I think he won't, his season will be disaster. He has no chance in Vuelta, after the Tour, Worlds doesn't suit him, he can't win Lombardy on this new course, and other races are not good enough for the rider of his caliber...

I bet you said the same thing last year, or not? Cheers.

 

[Mr.White]

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If he doesn't win the Tour, and I think he won't, his season will be disaster. He has no chance in Vuelta, after the Tour, Worlds doesn't suit him, he can't win Lombardy on this new course, and other races are not good enough for the rider of his caliber...

He could've won a few Vueltas by now if he wanted to... you really think he wants to?

Yeah, I actually think he would like that, and want that... although not as much as Giro or Tour, and that's why he rode them in 2011 and 2013, but failed to win. In that years he rode Giro before Vuelta, and he wasn't capable of reaching his 100% form in the Vuelta. Imagine then what percent of his top form he would reach with Tour in his legs. That's why I'm saying that he'll hardly win Vuelta. Of course if he would targeting only Vuelta, he would probably be the top favorite.

 

[Flamin]

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Nibali was a rider that was at the front almost the entire year. Winning t-a and always a challenger in the 1-day races, but it seems he's doing it exactly like last year. Invisible and only good during the TdF.

I really liked that offensive aggressive Nibali that was good and attacking all year long. I really do not like this Nibali, allthough I'm sure he will be aggresive during the TdF again and will enjoy his rides there, but I have no love/respect for riders that only peak for July.

This year is even worse than last year. Last year he was active and attacking in Oman, Paris-Nice and on Cipressa at least, this year nothing.

 

[IndianCyclist]

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This year is even worse than last year. Last year he was active and attacking in Oman, Paris-Nice and on Cipressa at least, this year nothing.

I think it is a lack of motivation. After winning the tour there is nothing imp left or him to win. The one week races are now beneath him. It is the classic symptom of procrastination "there is still enough time".

 

[SeriousSam]

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If he doesn't win the Tour, and I think he won't, his season will be disaster. He has no chance in Vuelta, after the Tour, Worlds doesn't suit him, he can't win Lombardy on this new course, and other races are not good enough for the rider of his caliber...

I bet you said the same thing last year, or not? Cheers.

You're fooled by randomness if you think last year takes the sting out of Mr. White's criticism. Playing the lottery is a losing proposition, winning it, an unlikely event, does not change that ex ante assessment.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

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If he doesn't win the Tour, and I think he won't, his season will be disaster. He has no chance in Vuelta, after the Tour, Worlds doesn't suit him, he can't win Lombardy on this new course, and other races are not good enough for the rider of his caliber...

He could've won a few Vueltas by now if he wanted to... you really think he wants to?

Yeah, I actually think he would like that, and want that... although not as much as Giro or Tour, and that's why he rode them in 2011 and 2013, but failed to win. In that years he rode Giro before Vuelta, and he wasn't capable of reaching his 100% form in the Vuelta. Imagine then what percent of his top form he would reach with Tour in his legs. That's why I'm saying that he'll hardly win Vuelta. Of course if he would targeting only Vuelta, he would probably be the top favorite.

He was targeting Worlds is why he gifted the Vuelta to PH. Because he doesn't target *** small races.

 

[jens_attacks]

Ok Who is ph?

 

[jens_attacks]

Papy horner ok...
Got it after 5 mimutes

 

[Mr.White]

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If he doesn't win the Tour, and I think he won't, his season will be disaster. He has no chance in Vuelta, after the Tour, Worlds doesn't suit him, he can't win Lombardy on this new course, and other races are not good enough for the rider of his caliber...

He could've won a few Vueltas by now if he wanted to... you really think he wants to?

Yeah, I actually think he would like that, and want that... although not as much as Giro or Tour, and that's why he rode them in 2011 and 2013, but failed to win. In that years he rode Giro before Vuelta, and he wasn't capable of reaching his 100% form in the Vuelta. Imagine then what percent of his top form he would reach with Tour in his legs. That's why I'm saying that he'll hardly win Vuelta. Of course if he would targeting only Vuelta, he would probably be the top favorite.

He was targeting Worlds is why he gifted the Vuelta to PH. Because he doesn't target **** small races.

Well he certainly got that right, with his targeting I mean, considering how he manage to do in that same Worlds, 4th place is a big success for him! He's never been placed higher, I understand his logic now, complete success for him.
And Vuelta a small race, name three bigger. I guess you are one of those "Tour" lovers