Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Escarabajo]

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[Rollthedice]

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He may be fast, but I also think that he is crashing a lot when he goes full speed.

That's nothing new. Nibali has had plenty of "descending" crashes during his racing career. Luckily always cuts and bruises. It's pretty obvious that if someone pushes it to the limit and beyond, an error is always behind the corner.

Only who doesn't risk anything, does not make errors.

And frankly at moment I'm only concerned with his conditions. Any news? He didn't look seriously injured on TV.

Let's not forget that one lap before he made the selection in the peloton on this same descent, bad luck with 12 k to go.

 

[del1962]

Sad for Nibali today, any news on him and Henao

 

[Red Rick]

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He may be fast, but I also think that he is crashing a lot when he goes full speed.

That's nothing new. Nibali has had plenty of "descending" crashes during his racing career. Luckily always cuts and bruises. It's pretty obvious that if someone pushes it to the limit and beyond, an error is always behind the corner.

Only who doesn't risk anything, does not make errors.

And frankly at moment I'm only concerned with his conditions. Any news? He didn't look seriously injured on TV.

Broken dreams most likely. I think we'll hear soon enough

 

[Kwibus]

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Well there goes the title best descender of his generation.
I feel really sorry for him. Great spirit, great tactics and I think he was the best today.

Who said he was the best descender of his generation? Stay calm people...
He's a great descender and able to win races due to his descending, but you are taking it a step too far and I don't think anyone claimed that.

 

[Kwibus]

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Nibali would have deserved it, what a race by him. Anyway I'm happy that the guy who won at the end also is a deserved Olympic champion.

Yes. But now it deserves the blame for the crash

Did anyone actually see the crash? For all we know Henao maybe tipped the back wheel of Nibali?

If Nibali crashed then he will take the blame, but I will still cheer him on for trying and making races in a way not many risers can and do.
It sucks for Henao as well, because he rode his guts out today and certainly deserved a medal.

 

[Ikbengodniet]

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Well there goes the title best descender of his generation.
I feel really sorry for him. Great spirit, great tactics and I think he was the best today.

Who said he was the best descender of his generation? Stay calm people...
He's a great descender and able to win races due to his descending, but you are taking it a step too far and I don't think anyone claimed that.

Generally he is/was known as one of the best, maybe the best among people right? It is you who thinks he is overrated right, you said so when Izagirre showed him his butt at the Joux Plane? I think you are spot on and today he just proved it himself.

 

[Kwibus]

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Well there goes the title best descender of his generation.
I feel really sorry for him. Great spirit, great tactics and I think he was the best today.

Who said he was the best descender of his generation? Stay calm people...
He's a great descender and able to win races due to his descending, but you are taking it a step too far and I don't think anyone claimed that.

Generally he is/was known as one of the best, maybe the best among people right? It is you who thinks he is overrated right, you said so when Izagirre showed him his butt at the Joux Plane? I think you are spot on and today he just proved it himself.

No that wasn't me. On the joux plane Nibali obviously didn't go all out imo.
Nibali is a great descender and most of all big risk taker. He has crashed quite often in the past on a descent as well so he's most of all a rider with big cojones who dares.

 

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I think there are no doubts whatsoever that Nibali is one of the best descender of the peloton. Not the best, but definitely a 1st tier one.
And he has proved it so many times that it is quite ridiculous seeing people questioning his descending skills because today he made a mistake.

Can anyone name me a great descender that has never crashed on a descent?

On a side note, people mentioning the Joux Plane as an example of Nibali not being one of the best descenders just shows they understand nothing about cycling. It was pretty obvious to anyone that has ever ridden a bike outside of their local park that he was scared because of the crash he had the day before. Something totally natural for any human being.

 

[Ikbengodniet]

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Well there goes the title best descender of his generation.
I feel really sorry for him. Great spirit, great tactics and I think he was the best today.

Who said he was the best descender of his generation? Stay calm people...
He's a great descender and able to win races due to his descending, but you are taking it a step too far and I don't think anyone claimed that.

Generally he is/was known as one of the best, maybe the best among people right? It is you who thinks he is overrated right, you said so when Izagirre showed him his butt at the Joux Plane? I think you are spot on and today he just proved it himself.

No that wasn't me. On the joux plane Nibali obviously didn't go all out imo.
Nibali is a great descender and most of all big risk taker. He has crashed quite often in the past on a descent as well so he's most of all a rider with big cojones who dares.

Ok, my misunderstanding. I totally agree.

 

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It looks like he was taken to a hospital to check his conditions. Nothing broken, apparently.

 

[May0maniac]

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It looks like he was taken to a hospital to check his conditions. Nothing broken, apparently.

They were worried about his collarbone.

 

[huge]

F**K!!! Broken Collarbone.

Cassani just tweeted it.

Purtroppo @vincenzonibali ha una clavicola rotta. La prima cosa che mi ha detto: "mi dispiace per i ragazzi". Una squadra vera la nostra

"Unfortunately Nibali has a broken collarbone. The first thing he told me was: "I'm sorry for the guys". A true team!"

 

[Brullnux]

Nibali pushes his limits continually on technical decents, now less so than in previous years, and so leaves himself susceptible to crashing. He descended fast today, unfortunately too fast in that corner. He is not as good as he was in 2010 say, but still a great descender. One of the best tacticians of his generation though. He and Contador should become DS of the same team one day.

 

[deValtos]

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Italy deserved a lot more than they got from this race. :sad:

Felt like Nibs had this.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Strongest rider, great team strategy, excellent attacks, superb tactics. this was the perfect Nibali similar to Florence WCRR. Should have a medal at least.

 

[movingtarget]

It seems when Nibali falls it's because he's such a good descender while when someone like SK falls in the Giro many call it a lack of skill. It was a treacherous descent not really fit for for such an important race and of course Porte and Thomas and many others fell also. But looking at the layout of the course around the city it was the only place they probably could have found the right type of hills for such a race and keep it close to the coastline. I really thought Nibali had the race in the bag as Majka can't sprint at all and Henao is normally not much good either. A crazy race for sure. Who would have thought that GVA would win on such a course ? But he was the smart one as I noticed he was often off the back of the pack on the descent, taking no risks at all.

 

[movingtarget]

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Have to say I feel even worse for Henao, the crash wasn't even his fault

Same with Porte. The Russian rider fell right in front of him. Porte was lucky he did not go off the side but he hit a tree stump and broke his scapula.

 

[richo36]

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It seems when Nibali falls it's because he's such a good descender while when someone like SK falls in the Giro many call it a lack of skill. It was a treacherous descent not really fit for for such an important race and of course Porte and Thomas and many others fell also. But looking at the layout of the course around the city it was the only place they probably could have found the right type of hills for such a race and keep it close to the coastline. I really thought Nibali had the race in the bag as Majka can't sprint at all and Henao is normally not much good either. A crazy race for sure. Who would have thought that GVA would win on such a course ? But he was the smart one as I noticed he was often off the back of the pack on the descent, taking no risks at all.

SK crashed because he was on his limit. He even said so himself. Was pushed to his limit by nibali on the uphill. And did not have the concentration needed on the descent. I wouldn't say it was due to poor descending skills.

Also we have proof of nibali's descending skills, shown on multiple occasions. When you are pushing the limit on the downhill you are going to have crashes every now and again. Not saying he is the best but he is in the top 20-30 in the peleton.

That said is there any video of the crash or eye witness accounts or has nibali majka henao made a comment on what caused the crash???

 

[movingtarget]

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It seems when Nibali falls it's because he's such a good descender while when someone like SK falls in the Giro many call it a lack of skill. It was a treacherous descent not really fit for for such an important race and of course Porte and Thomas and many others fell also. But looking at the layout of the course around the city it was the only place they probably could have found the right type of hills for such a race and keep it close to the coastline. I really thought Nibali had the race in the bag as Majka can't sprint at all and Henao is normally not much good either. A crazy race for sure. Who would have thought that GVA would win on such a course ? But he was the smart one as I noticed he was often off the back of the pack on the descent, taking no risks at all.

SK crashed because he was on his limit. He even said so himself. Was pushed to his limit by nibali on the uphill. And did not have the concentration needed on the descent. I wouldn't say it was due to poor descending skills.

Also we have proof of nibali's descending skills, shown on multiple occasions. When you are pushing the limit on the downhill you are going to have crashes every now and again. Not saying he is the best but he is in the top 20-30 in the peleton.

That said is there any video of the crash or eye witness accounts or has nibali majka henao made a comment on what caused the crash???

You could say everyone is on the limit when they are attacking or responding to an attack. I have not seen footage but it was reported that Nibali fell first. Have not seen any reasons for the crash apart from going too fast. It seems it was the same corner causing most of the problems.

 

[samhocking]

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Crashing and descending are two of the many variables that makes road racing great & unpredictable. It's always a shame though, when the top 10 is altered so dramatically in the last few km on a descent after so many km of racing, which, upto that point was largely shaped through attrition only.
Nibali chose to try and make the difference there on the final descent perhaps and it didn't work out. The strongest doesn't always win one-days, this is what makes them great to watch although I think it's exciting for the wrong reasons in a sporting sense in Rio.
Personally, i'm not a fan of such risky descents at the end of a long race on roads the riders are not really that familiar with like in Europe/Alps/Pyrenees etc. It's a bit like putting your hand into a tombola and pulling out a number to find the winner and so it could be anyone. I'm not a fan of races getting largely decided by luck alone for those riders still in the race at the very end like that. None of the crashes were on TV as too dangerous for camera's to get close anyway, so even from a TV entertainment point-of-view it was not worth having a descent shape the outcome of the race like that if it couldn't be televised. Seems a bit pointless to me, but it was still a fantastic race, upto the last descent.

 

[glassmoon]

apparently both collarbones broken.

 

[bassano]

really pitty for Vincenzo, first he lost big chances to became a world champion, then even worse is this, there will be no chance for olympics like this again

 

[Kwibus]

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It seems when Nibali falls it's because he's such a good descender while when someone like SK falls in the Giro many call it a lack of skill. It was a treacherous descent not really fit for for such an important race and of course Porte and Thomas and many others fell also. But looking at the layout of the course around the city it was the only place they probably could have found the right type of hills for such a race and keep it close to the coastline. I really thought Nibali had the race in the bag as Majka can't sprint at all and Henao is normally not much good either. A crazy race for sure. Who would have thought that GVA would win on such a course ? But he was the smart one as I noticed he was often off the back of the pack on the descent, taking no risks at all.

SK crashed because he was on his limit. He even said so himself. Was pushed to his limit by nibali on the uphill. And did not have the concentration needed on the descent. I wouldn't say it was due to poor descending skills.

Also we have proof of nibali's descending skills, shown on multiple occasions. When you are pushing the limit on the downhill you are going to have crashes every now and again. Not saying he is the best but he is in the top 20-30 in the peleton.

That said is there any video of the crash or eye witness accounts or has nibali majka henao made a comment on what caused the crash???

No. SK was on his limit on the climb of the Agnello, that was what he said. He said he made a mistake on the descent. His own fault he added. On the limit was on the climb.

 

[Kwibus]

Also I read multiple comments on this forum complaining that the descent was too much. I don't understand this at all.

The riders explored the climb then raced it 3 times so they all knew every corner of the descent.