Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Brullnux]

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Contador and Quintana dont have decent result in classics either. Contador tried a few years at his peak but never got really close in Liege while Quintana just doesn't seem to care, similar to Contador apart from a few years. Thats no shame. I can't fault Kwiatkowski for never being close to win a GT or Kittel to win a proper murito.

Contador has one good result in fleche, and I wouldn't be surprised if Froome did well in that one too.

 

[Angliru]

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I know a very good reason

**** TTTs where rich teams get even more advantages than they already have. A short opening TTT is the only thing I can tolerate.

Keep it for the Olympics and Worlds but in pro races a long one is a ridiculous advantage to the rich teams and a short one is meaningless cause the time gaps are so small. I would like to see them can it altogether in grand tours. They could so do much more with prologues and ITTs if they bothered to. The mountain ITT doesn't get enough of a workout either. I would also like to see them mix the distances up more like they used to. Long TTs can actually force more attacks in the mountains. I see nothing wrong with a long TT now and then. If Froome wasn't winning the Tours no one would be complaining about them.

It's not just the fact that Froome is winning it's that his team is the strongest also. Attacking riders trying to make up for lost time stand little chance of making up that difference. They can let the attackers stew in their own juices and slowly reel them back and then drop them, adding to their deficit. Honestly, what chance does an attacking rider have versus Sky's lineup? Even with losing Landa, Nieve and the others all they're going to do is reload.

Before Froome and Sky came along there were complaints about the long TT. This is not a new phenomenon. It's not always just about Froome/Sky and those that don't share your appreciation for him/them. People are capable of forming an opinion based on more than what side of the Sky fence they're sitting.

 

[Angliru]

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Contador and Quintana dont have decent result in classics either. Contador tried a few years at his peak but never got really close in Liege while Quintana just doesn't seem to care, similar to Contador apart from a few years. Thats no shame. I can't fault Kwiatkowski for never being close to win a GT or Kittel to win a proper murito.

Contador was 3rd at Fleche Wallone in 2010. I would call that a decent result. I believe he was riding in support of Vino the last time he rode in LBL. Classics have never been his focus which is of course well known. I personally wish he had ridden them more in his career. I think he could have done fairly well and I think it would have expanded his range of skills.

 

[Rollthedice]

I was expecting a combined time loss to Froome in TTs of around 1'30" with 20ish sec in TTT. All is good after first stage. Congrats to Boaro, Agnoli, Visconti and young Cortina who finished with Vincenzo.

 

[Red Rick]

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I was expecting a combined time loss to Froome in TTs of around 1'30" with 20ish sec in TTT. All is good after first stage. Congrats to Boaro, Agnoli, Visconti and young Cortina who finished with Vincenzo.

But where did Antonio get dropped?

I'm trying to decide who's more likely to be of help between him and Jesus Hernandez

 

[Rollthedice]

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I was expecting a combined time loss to Froome in TTs of around 1'30" with 20ish sec in TTT. All is good after first stage. Congrats to Boaro, Agnoli, Visconti and young Cortina who finished with Vincenzo.

But where did Antonio get dropped?

I'm trying to decide who's more likely to be of help between him and Jesus Hernandez

Agnoli is Nibali's Jesus, a far better version though. Antonio is his brother visiting Spain. Interesting to know that Antonio rooms with Agnoli.

 

[May0maniac]

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I was expecting a combined time loss to Froome in TTs of around 1'30" with 20ish sec in TTT. All is good after first stage. Congrats to Boaro, Agnoli, Visconti and young Cortina who finished with Vincenzo.

But where did Antonio get dropped?

I'm trying to decide who's more likely to be of help between him and Jesus Hernandez

Agnoli is Nibali's Jesus, a far better version though. Antonio is his brother visiting Spain. Interesting to know that Antonio rooms with Agnoli.

Antonio is still young and last year he was 7th on the Mount Fuji stage in the Tour of Japan, so maybe he'll improve a bit.

 

[Red Rick]

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I was expecting a combined time loss to Froome in TTs of around 1'30" with 20ish sec in TTT. All is good after first stage. Congrats to Boaro, Agnoli, Visconti and young Cortina who finished with Vincenzo.

But where did Antonio get dropped?

I'm trying to decide who's more likely to be of help between him and Jesus Hernandez

Agnoli is Nibali's Jesus, a far better version though. Antonio is his brother visiting Spain. Interesting to know that Antonio rooms with Agnoli.

Antonio is still young and last year he was 7th on the Mount Fuji stage in the Tour of Japan, so maybe he'll improve a bit.

Lol, I just checked his CQ page, his only points are from races where he got points by finishing

 

[Climbing]

I remember the days of Prudencio!

 

[Frankschleck]

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I was expecting a combined time loss to Froome in TTs of around 1'30" with 20ish sec in TTT. All is good after first stage. Congrats to Boaro, Agnoli, Visconti and young Cortina who finished with Vincenzo.

But where did Antonio get dropped?

I'm trying to decide who's more likely to be of help between him and Jesus Hernandez

Agnoli is Nibali's Jesus, a far better version though. Antonio is his brother visiting Spain. Interesting to know that Antonio rooms with Agnoli.

Antonio is still young and last year he was 7th on the Mount Fuji stage in the Tour of Japan, so maybe he'll improve a bit.

at least he is better than juraj tho.

 

[Squire]

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I was expecting a combined time loss to Froome in TTs of around 1'30" with 20ish sec in TTT. All is good after first stage. Congrats to Boaro, Agnoli, Visconti and young Cortina who finished with Vincenzo.

But where did Antonio get dropped?

I'm trying to decide who's more likely to be of help between him and Jesus Hernandez

Agnoli is Nibali's Jesus, a far better version though. Antonio is his brother visiting Spain. Interesting to know that Antonio rooms with Agnoli.

Antonio is still young and last year he was 7th on the Mount Fuji stage in the Tour of Japan, so maybe he'll improve a bit.

at least he is better than juraj tho.

Or Mario Costa.

 

[Brullnux]

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I was expecting a combined time loss to Froome in TTs of around 1'30" with 20ish sec in TTT. All is good after first stage. Congrats to Boaro, Agnoli, Visconti and young Cortina who finished with Vincenzo.

But where did Antonio get dropped?

I'm trying to decide who's more likely to be of help between him and Jesus Hernandez

Agnoli is Nibali's Jesus, a far better version though. Antonio is his brother visiting Spain. Interesting to know that Antonio rooms with Agnoli.

Antonio is still young and last year he was 7th on the Mount Fuji stage in the Tour of Japan, so maybe he'll improve a bit.

at least he is better than juraj tho.

No, juraj is decent now. The hate for him is outdated, I think he'd get on a low level WT team or good pro Conti even without his surname. Nibali was a straggler at Nippo, but I guess he is still young.

 

[Frankschleck]

antonio nibali was in a lot of breaks in the beginning of the year, but juraj is okay aswell. But no way neither of them are good enough for a low level wt or good proconti team. They are only world tour riders because of last name. They could be good teammates on a mediocre pro conti team.

 

[Brullnux]

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antonio nibali was in a lot of breaks in the beginning of the year, but juraj is okay aswell. But no way neither of them are good enough for a low level wt or good proconti team. They are only world tour riders because of last name. They could be good teammates on a mediocre pro conti team.

Did you miss the last worlds? Juraj was the mvp, and he came 14th in Gent Wevelgem this year too

 

[Frankschleck]

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antonio nibali was in a lot of breaks in the beginning of the year, but juraj is okay aswell. But no way neither of them are good enough for a low level wt or good proconti team. They are only world tour riders because of last name. They could be good teammates on a mediocre pro conti team.

Did you miss the last worlds? Juraj was the mvp, and he came 14th in Gent Wevelgem this year too

thats 2 good races, and finishing 14 th when around 100 riders arrive at almost the same time, is not that good a preformance. Juraj sagan should not be riding in the world tour.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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antonio nibali was in a lot of breaks in the beginning of the year, but juraj is okay aswell. But no way neither of them are good enough for a low level wt or good proconti team. They are only world tour riders because of last name. They could be good teammates on a mediocre pro conti team.

Did you miss the last worlds? Juraj was the mvp, and he came 14th in Gent Wevelgem this year too

thats 2 good races, and finishing 14 th when around 100 riders arrive at almost the same time, is not that good a preformance. Juraj sagan should not be riding in the world tour.

Jurai Sagan should definitely be riding on the World Tour. Good domestique on the flat, rather fast finish and endurance. The only thing I've seen of Antonio Nibali was when he was in a very weak break in the first stage of the Dauphine - where he was dropped. That doesn't exactly qualify as WT-level.

 

[Frankschleck]

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antonio nibali was in a lot of breaks in the beginning of the year, but juraj is okay aswell. But no way neither of them are good enough for a low level wt or good proconti team. They are only world tour riders because of last name. They could be good teammates on a mediocre pro conti team.

Did you miss the last worlds? Juraj was the mvp, and he came 14th in Gent Wevelgem this year too

thats 2 good races, and finishing 14 th when around 100 riders arrive at almost the same time, is not that good a preformance. Juraj sagan should not be riding in the world tour.

Jurai Sagan should definitely be riding on the World Tour. Good domestique on the flat, rather fast finish and endurance. The only thing I've seen of Antonio Nibali was when he was in a very weak break in the first stage of the Dauphine - where he was dropped. That doesn't exactly qualify as WT-level.

none of them should be at the world tour tho. They are there because of their names.

 

[Irondan]

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antonio nibali was in a lot of breaks in the beginning of the year, but juraj is okay aswell. But no way neither of them are good enough for a low level wt or good proconti team. They are only world tour riders because of last name. They could be good teammates on a mediocre pro conti team.

Did you miss the last worlds? Juraj was the mvp, and he came 14th in Gent Wevelgem this year too

thats 2 good races, and finishing 14 th when around 100 riders arrive at almost the same time, is not that good a preformance. Juraj sagan should not be riding in the world tour.

Jurai Sagan should definitely be riding on the World Tour. Good domestique on the flat, rather fast finish and endurance. The only thing I've seen of Antonio Nibali was when he was in a very weak break in the first stage of the Dauphine - where he was dropped. That doesn't exactly qualify as WT-level.

none of them should be at the world tour tho. They are there because of their names.

That's not true at all.

Juraj has been as good if not the best Domestique on Bora this year. He's earned his spot, unlike Antonio Nibali who's never done anything in pro cycling what-so-ever to earn a spot in the World Tour. Antonio Nibali is on his brothers team because Vincenzo either really loves him or feels sorry for him, either one is still nepotism at it's worst.

 

[SafeBet]

Back to Nibali, he gained a few seconds over his rivals today, but not a good day losing again Moreno in the early stages.

 

[Irondan]

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Back to Nibali, he gained a few seconds over his rivals today, but not a good day losing again Moreno in the early stages.

Back to Nibali? Seriously?

Who do you think was the main subject of these posts? It was Vincenzo Nibali's blatant nepotism that we were talking about, and since this is the Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread I'd say we were posting comments in the right thread.

Leave moderation to the mods please.

Now back to Nibali.

 

[jaylew]

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I was expecting a combined time loss to Froome in TTs of around 1'30" with 20ish sec in TTT. All is good after first stage. Congrats to Boaro, Agnoli, Visconti and young Cortina who finished with Vincenzo.

But where did Antonio get dropped?

I'm trying to decide who's more likely to be of help between him and Jesus Hernandez

Agnoli is Nibali's Jesus, a far better version though. Antonio is his brother visiting Spain. Interesting to know that Antonio rooms with Agnoli.

Antonio is still young and last year he was 7th on the Mount Fuji stage in the Tour of Japan, so maybe he'll improve a bit.

at least he is better than juraj tho.

No way. At least not at this point. Juraj is absolutely a WT rider. He wasn't initially, but he is now. A solid dom, better than many.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Back to Nibali, he gained a few seconds over his rivals today, but not a good day losing again Moreno in the early stages.

His team is weak anyway with or without Moreno who's only notable performance this year was to get kicked out of the Giro. As a helper same goes for Visconti. He'll win La Vuelta with Novak Cortina and friggin Antonio.

 

[huge]

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Back to Nibali, he gained a few seconds over his rivals today, but not a good day losing again Moreno in the early stages.

His team is weak anyway with or without Moreno who's only notable performance this year was to get kicked out of the Giro. As a helper same goes for Visconti. He'll win La Vuelta with Novak Cortina and friggin Antonio.

Unfortunately Visconti doesn't seem to be in great shape this year.
He was of no help at the Giro. I don't think he will be of any at this Vuelta.

 

[Frankschleck]

nah don't agree, i take back that antonio is better than juraj, but none of them are world tour level at all.

 

[skippo12]

I thought Nibali would try to follow Froome at all costs and explode like he did in the Giro against Quintana. Looks way better than in the first week of the Giro and actually knows that he cannot follow Bardet, Froome or Aru on an all out attack without blowing up.
If the Tour guys start to fade in the 3rd week he will be there. In the coming muritos he will most likely lose time but if he limits his loses and his team shows up in the 3rd week everything is possible. Stage 17 and 20 are his best chances in my opinion.

Only weak link is his team. Nibali was isolated with 30+ km to go. Bahrain-Merida is a joke. When Sky split the group he had to close the gap himself coming from far behind and wasted a lot of energy.