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Ouch, that was bad. He lost almost 30 seconds. More of the same to happen weekend and he will probably find himself 1:30-2:00 behind, (maybe even 2:20) from where there is probably no comeback.
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:lol:
Hey I'm not a Nibali fan at all but over here yall are already burying him while in the alternative universe that is the Contador thread they are tipping the old man for the overall win. On what seems to be mostly inconsequential results for both..
Brullnux said:
:lol:
Hey I'm not a Nibali fan at all but over here yall are already burying him while in the alternative universe that is the Contador thread they are tipping the old man for the overall win. On what seems to be mostly inconsequential results for both..
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Nibali will be flying when Froome is very tired in the final week
Everyone knows that Nibali is a slow starter ..
Gosh if you are fans you'd want to have a bit of faith
hazaran said:
+1
Nibali will be flying when Froome is very tired in the final week
Everyone knows that Nibali is a slow starter ..
Gosh if you are fans you'd want to have a bit of faith
Stage was horrible for Nibali. Raced easily exept for the last 15 km. The last kms were basically a test of maximal watt power for 10 minutes. He is lost when they hit a wall after soft pedalling the whole day.
At this point in his career he might have the best aerobic ability of all contenders but his anaerobic ability is completly gone. No lactat tolerance compared to younger guys or even Contador.
For Contador it seems to be the other way around. He lacks stamina but still has some punch.
At this point in his career he might have the best aerobic ability of all contenders but his anaerobic ability is completly gone. No lactat tolerance compared to younger guys or even Contador.
For Contador it seems to be the other way around. He lacks stamina but still has some punch.
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Its not the murito ...its how its raced
According to soem reports that was a record for a 10 minute climb ....very fast
These speeds will come down as the Vuelta progresses
ice&fire said:
Its not the murito ...its how its raced
According to soem reports that was a record for a 10 minute climb ....very fast
These speeds will come down as the Vuelta progresses
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Good points. I also think he overestimates his abilities if that is even possible for his experience, maybe it's orgoglio? He just cracked badly, I mean he came to the line with Agnoli. Anyway, looking forward to the weekend combo with concern.
skippo12 said:
Good points. I also think he overestimates his abilities if that is even possible for his experience, maybe it's orgoglio? He just cracked badly, I mean he came to the line with Agnoli. Anyway, looking forward to the weekend combo with concern.
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He was already in extreme trouble when Moscon set the early pace for Froome. Looked like he cracked right when Moscon stopped and Froome accelerated. And was dropped like stone, no chance to follow top 5 and there were other groups even in between that he missed.
Climbing said:
He was already in extreme trouble when Moscon set the early pace for Froome. Looked like he cracked right when Moscon stopped and Froome accelerated. And was dropped like stone, no chance to follow top 5 and there were other groups even in between that he missed.
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Yes, I thought the same when it comes to Nibali and Contador.
Still, even the 2013 version of Ivan Basso was better on the muritos (that was his last chance to get a top5 on gc or even more in a gt, a shame that he DNF of the Andorra stage).
Still, even the 2013 version of Ivan Basso was better on the muritos (that was his last chance to get a top5 on gc or even more in a gt, a shame that he DNF of the Andorra stage).
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Eh yeah. If this happens on the two following muritos he is pretty much done for the victory me thinks. Well, then he would have to rely on Froome's misfortune and thats maybe not a too bad tactic after all. We are talking about Nibz.
I say no need to panic, but not very uplifting. Needs to do better than that on these stages to win La Vuelta bar anything very surprising. But, the terrain is available for more this time around that in previous Vueltas, maybe he can join forces with Contador on some tricky stages.
I say no need to panic, but not very uplifting. Needs to do better than that on these stages to win La Vuelta bar anything very surprising. But, the terrain is available for more this time around that in previous Vueltas, maybe he can join forces with Contador on some tricky stages.
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Good posts Mayomaniac and skippo12 though I have to add one thing:
Nibali usually handles the rainy/cold weather much better than the others (some get ill, some DNF like Basso) and since the Vuelta is usually very hot it is normal that he is also not that good. (There was not a single rainy stage on this years Giro as well)
So in short, cold/rainy multi mountain stages which are above 2000+m altitude with technical descents (preferably as a stage finish) is the environment which should suit him the most.
Nibali usually handles the rainy/cold weather much better than the others (some get ill, some DNF like Basso) and since the Vuelta is usually very hot it is normal that he is also not that good. (There was not a single rainy stage on this years Giro as well)
So in short, cold/rainy multi mountain stages which are above 2000+m altitude with technical descents (preferably as a stage finish) is the environment which should suit him the most.
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Worse than I thought, but still no need to panic. Very sensible post by Skippo and it's striking the difference with Contador. I don't think the next two muritos are necessarily worse for him than this one. They will come at the end of the first week after 7-8 days of racing. Fatigue will start to be a factor and both muritos are longer which means less explosive accelerations. Hopefully he'll still be in striking distance by the end of the week. And if he's more than two minutes behind, let the fireworks begin.
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Slongo said that he's fine, no worries, they know he can't follow uphill 500w short efforts.
Still 26 secs is too much, one would expect him coming home with the 2nd or 3rd group after Froome.
On the other hand there's the positive, thanks to his smart riding, that he's only 36 secs behind in the GC instead of 1 min down.
If he gets the usual form in the 2nd and 3rd week and Froome fades a bit, it's still game on.
Still 26 secs is too much, one would expect him coming home with the 2nd or 3rd group after Froome.
On the other hand there's the positive, thanks to his smart riding, that he's only 36 secs behind in the GC instead of 1 min down.
If he gets the usual form in the 2nd and 3rd week and Froome fades a bit, it's still game on.
Still 2 muritos to pass where he will need to limit the damages once again. I kind of fear for him as these two stages are quite flat with no real difficulties before the final walls. No warm-up before probably brutal accelerations by Sky that he won't like.
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