Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[skippo12]

People should realize that Nibali so far has been the only rider that Sky choose to follow. Contador isn`t dangerous and Lopez was far down in the GC.
It is hard for Nibalis moral that basically everybody is allowed to get away but once he tries something they shut him down. At this point Sky will decide who will finish on the podium by choosing to chase or not.

 

[Inquitus]

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People should realize that Nibali so far has been the only rider that Sky choose to follow. Contador isn`t dangerous and Lopez was far down in the GC.
It is hard for Nibalis moral that basically everybody is allowed to get away but once he tries something they shut him down. At this point Sky will decide who will finish on the podium by choosing to chase or not.

They have to chase Nibali, they didn't have to chase Contador or Lopez, they will have to keep an eye on Lopez now however. Even so I think Lopez is head and shoulders the best climber in this race, stronger than Froome, Nibali and the rest.

 

[bambino]

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People should realize that Nibali so far has been the only rider that Sky choose to follow. Contador isn`t dangerous and Lopez was far down in the GC.
It is hard for Nibalis moral that basically everybody is allowed to get away but once he tries something they shut him down. At this point Sky will decide who will finish on the podium by choosing to chase or not.

They have to chase Nibali, they didn't have to chase Contador or Lopez, they will have to keep an eye on Lopez now however. Even so I think Lopez is head and shoulders the best climber in this race, stronger than Froome, Nibali and the rest.

Nah. Lopez is still meaningless for Sky. Especially as he will be around 5 minutes down after TT.

 

[telencefalus]

Vincenzo Nibali never has the love he deserve ,vuelta is not over even if he lose 90 seconds in tt , who knows what can happen in those 4 stage , they all are decisive , remember 2016 giro , just 2 stage and the gc was turned upside down

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Nibali missed his chance on the Monachil. If he had let Contador and MAL get 15s, then closed the gap while dropping Sky, then we'd have had a real race on our hands.

Sky had famous climber Puccio in front, they didn't care one bit about a certain superman and a soon-to-retire Contador. If Nibali would've attacked as you say, Moscon, Nieve and Poels would've brought back the three desperados with about 15-20k to go. There was impossible to gain something today.

Im not sure they would just have closed it instantly. For sure Puccio would have dropped if Nibali went up the road, but I dont know if Nieve and Moscon and control that and Froome sure as hell wouldn't have reacted himself. It would have been interesting to see how it would pan out, at least.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Vincenzo Nibali never has the love he deserve ,vuelta is not over even if he lose 90 seconds in tt , who knows what can happen in those 4 stage , they all are decisive , remember 2016 giro , just 2 stage and the gc was turned upside down

stop it with the 2016 giro. Kruijswijk was a level above everyone else there. That was pure luck he decided to crash into a wall.

 

[telencefalus]

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Vincenzo Nibali never has the love he deserve ,vuelta is not over even if he lose 90 seconds in tt , who knows what can happen in those 4 stage , they all are decisive , remember 2016 giro , just 2 stage and the gc was turned upside down

stop it with the 2016 giro. Kruijswijk was a level above everyone else there. That was pure luck he decided to crash into a wall.

i think it's not pure luck because Niabli make the attack at high altitude and kruijswijk was not that good , it could be that it was not that lucid and he crashed against the snow , so give credit to Nibali

 

[huge]

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Vincenzo Nibali never has the love he deserve ,vuelta is not over even if he lose 90 seconds in tt , who knows what can happen in those 4 stage , they all are decisive , remember 2016 giro , just 2 stage and the gc was turned upside down

stop it with the 2016 giro. Kruijswijk was a level above everyone else there. That was pure luck he decided to crash into a wall.

Luck, not luck. Did he win the Giro 2016? Yes. So, who cares.

Btw, where is Kruijswijk now? Still recovering from that crash, one and a half year on?
Just another example of a rider that rides the GT of his life and then disappears into oblivion.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Nibali missed his chance on the Monachil. If he had let Contador and MAL get 15s, then closed the gap while dropping Sky, then we'd have had a real race on our hands.

Sky had famous climber Puccio in front, they didn't care one bit about a certain superman and a soon-to-retire Contador. If Nibali would've attacked as you say, Moscon, Nieve and Poels would've brought back the three desperados with about 15-20k to go. There was impossible to gain something today.

Not easy to be the main contender to Team Sky, indeed.

 

[movingtarget]

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Vincenzo Nibali never has the love he deserve ,vuelta is not over even if he lose 90 seconds in tt , who knows what can happen in those 4 stage , they all are decisive , remember 2016 giro , just 2 stage and the gc was turned upside down

stop it with the 2016 giro. Kruijswijk was a level above everyone else there. That was pure luck he decided to crash into a wall.

i think it's not pure luck because Niabli make the attack at high altitude and kruijswijk was not that good , it could be that it was not that lucid and he crashed against the snow , so give credit to Nibali

So Nibali gets credit for another rider falling ? You don't have to be on the limit to crash. It was a long way from the finish and even though Nibali had him under pressure there is nothing to suggest he would have dropped him or put as much time into him at the finish. Kruijswijk looked much more comfortable than Froome looks in the Vuelta at the moment. Kruijswijk is a bit like Porte, not a great bike handler and unfortunately instead of landing in snow he hit an ice wall. I suppose Nibali was also responsible for Anton crashing out of the Vuelta and Froome and Contador crashing out of the Tour in 2014 ? It could have even happened again in this race with Froome going off the road twice, doesn't take much to break a collarbone.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

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Vincenzo Nibali never has the love he deserve ,vuelta is not over even if he lose 90 seconds in tt , who knows what can happen in those 4 stage , they all are decisive , remember 2016 giro , just 2 stage and the gc was turned upside down

stop it with the 2016 giro. Kruijswijk was a level above everyone else there. That was pure luck he decided to crash into a wall.

i think it's not pure luck because Niabli make the attack at high altitude and kruijswijk was not that good , it could be that it was not that lucid and he crashed against the snow , so give credit to Nibali

So Nibali gets credit for another rider falling ? You don't have to be on the limit to crash. It was a long way from the finish and even though Nibali had him under pressure there is nothing to suggest he would have dropped him or put as much time into him at the finish. Kruijswijk looked much more comfortable than Froome looks in the Vuelta at the moment. Kruijswijk is a bit like Porte, not a great bike handler and unfortunately instead of landing in snow he hit an ice wall. I suppose Nibali was also responsible for Anton crashing out of the Vuelta and Froome and Contador crashing out of the Tour in 2014 ? It could have even happened again in this race with Froome going off the road twice, doesn't take much to break a collarbone.

I feel like you've missed out on the now pretty much uncontroversial fact that Nibali is a master of voodoo. Do you research before posting these things.

 

[cineteq]

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The "terrible tactics" post -in hindsight- that never fails to amuse the knowledgable fan

Terrible tactics today. Either go with Lopez and Contador to see how many Sky doms survive or wait for the final like Zakarin. Those 6 seconds are probably meaningless but they are not good for the morale.

 

[Brullnux]

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The "terrible tactics" post -in hindsight- that never fails to amuse the knowledgable fan

Terrible tactics today. Either go with Lopez and Contador to see how many Sky doms survive or wait for the final like Zakarin. Those 6 seconds are probably meaningless but they are not good for the morale.

It's not really hindsight when everyone was saying it beforehand.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Vincenzo Nibali never has the love he deserve ,vuelta is not over even if he lose 90 seconds in tt , who knows what can happen in those 4 stage , they all are decisive , remember 2016 giro , just 2 stage and the gc was turned upside down

stop it with the 2016 giro. Kruijswijk was a level above everyone else there. That was pure luck he decided to crash into a wall.

i think it's not pure luck because Niabli make the attack at high altitude and kruijswijk was not that good , it could be that it was not that lucid and he crashed against the snow , so give credit to Nibali

So Nibali gets credit for another rider falling ? You don't have to be on the limit to crash. It was a long way from the finish and even though Nibali had him under pressure there is nothing to suggest he would have dropped him or put as much time into him at the finish. Kruijswijk looked much more comfortable than Froome looks in the Vuelta at the moment. Kruijswijk is a bit like Porte, not a great bike handler and unfortunately instead of landing in snow he hit an ice wall. I suppose Nibali was also responsible for Anton crashing out of the Vuelta and Froome and Contador crashing out of the Tour in 2014 ? It could have even happened again in this race with Froome going off the road twice, doesn't take much to break a collarbone.

this. Thank you.

 

[bambino]

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Vincenzo Nibali never has the love he deserve ,vuelta is not over even if he lose 90 seconds in tt , who knows what can happen in those 4 stage , they all are decisive , remember 2016 giro , just 2 stage and the gc was turned upside down

stop it with the 2016 giro. Kruijswijk was a level above everyone else there. That was pure luck he decided to crash into a wall.

i think it's not pure luck because Niabli make the attack at high altitude and kruijswijk was not that good , it could be that it was not that lucid and he crashed against the snow , so give credit to Nibali

So Nibali gets credit for another rider falling ? You don't have to be on the limit to crash. It was a long way from the finish and even though Nibali had him under pressure there is nothing to suggest he would have dropped him or put as much time into him at the finish. Kruijswijk looked much more comfortable than Froome looks in the Vuelta at the moment. Kruijswijk is a bit like Porte, not a great bike handler and unfortunately instead of landing in snow he hit an ice wall. I suppose Nibali was also responsible for Anton crashing out of the Vuelta and Froome and Contador crashing out of the Tour in 2014 ? It could have even happened again in this race with Froome going off the road twice, doesn't take much to break a collarbone.

Actually I do put part of Froome's crashing in 2014 into Nibali's basket

 

[telencefalus]

please Nibali go and beat Froome in tt i know that you can .......maybe

 

[cineteq]

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Everyone was saying it yet you're unable to post a single quote from the stage thread (timestamped)?

The "terrible tactics" post -in hindsight- that never fails to amuse the knowledgable fan

Terrible tactics today. Either go with Lopez and Contador to see how many Sky doms survive or wait for the final like Zakarin. Those 6 seconds are probably meaningless but they are not good for the morale.

It's not really hindsight when everyone was saying it beforehand.

 

[telencefalus]

Nibali trainer think that he will lose betwen 30 to 40 seconds max to Froome in the tt i hope the forecast are right or maybe wrong in the way nibali gain some seconds

 

[SafeBet]

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Nibali trainer think that he will lose betwen 30 to 40 seconds max to Froome in the tt i hope the forecast are right or maybe wrong in the way nibali gain some seconds

Seems very optimistic to me, he must be faster than in the Giro to lose only 30 seconds to Froome.

 

[telencefalus]

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Nibali trainer think that he will lose betwen 30 to 40 seconds max to Froome in the tt i hope the forecast are right or maybe wrong in the way nibali gain some seconds

Seems very optimistic to me, he must be faster than in the Giro to lose only 30 seconds to Froome.

Slongo thinks that he will be in super shape in the last week of la vuelta hope he is right if so i think he can win it

 

[Climbing]

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Nibali trainer think that he will lose betwen 30 to 40 seconds max to Froome in the tt i hope the forecast are right or maybe wrong in the way nibali gain some seconds

This seems extremely optimistic, might probably be around 1:30, and that would be a good result I think.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Slongo also thought they would lose 40/50 seconds in the first time trial of the Giro, and he lost 2 minutes.

 

[telencefalus]

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Slongo also thought they would lose 40/50 seconds in the first time trial of the Giro, and he lost 2 minutes.

I think Slongo has much more experience than you and me so i trust him

 

[telencefalus]

but i will tell to Slongo to lose some fat not like the fat that froome lost because it is not really credible to be THAT fat

 

[killswitch]

https://twitter.com/EuroHoody/status/904783209073958912
When asked what he would do to try beat Sky at this Vuelta, Froome shrugged with a laugh: "I'd go for stage wins"

As if Nibali needed more motivation to crush Sky.