Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

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Mayomaniac said:
ColonelKidneyBeans said:
Red Rick said:
Yeah that Tour stage of 2015 is an underrated win. Solo from 50km out and climb La Toussuire faster than anyone else except for Froome and Quintana.

And I think that's an underrated quality. He can attack a penultimate climb without slowing down too much on the last climb.
He has incredible stamina when in top shape, that's his most amazing quality for sure. I still wonder what happened to him during week two at that tour, he looked like death at pierre saint-martin, not just not quite peak shape Nibali that can't be bothered, but like he was gonna DNF that stage.
He looked fine before the Mur de Bretagne crash.
Didn't he also go down on the stage where Stybar won?

I was too busy using the crash excuse for Contador to think of Nibali that year
 
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My bad, he crashed on the Stybar stage and lost time on the Mur de Bretagne 2 days later, after that crash he was pretty bad for 5-6 days.
 
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ColonelKidneyBeans said:
Red Rick said:
Yeah that Tour stage of 2015 is an underrated win. Solo from 50km out and climb La Toussuire faster than anyone else except for Froome and Quintana.

And I think that's an underrated quality. He can attack a penultimate climb without slowing down too much on the last climb.
He has incredible stamina when in top shape, that's his most amazing quality for sure. I still wonder what happened to him during week two at that tour, he looked like death at pierre saint-martin, not just not quite peak shape Nibali that can't be bothered, but like he was gonna DNF that stage.
Nibali is quite an emotional person, under this point of view he's inferior to the likes of Froome/Valverde. He "suffers" what the media and the critics say, gets easily nervous and as consequence he cracks mentally. Tour 2015 is a good example, he was in top shape because he dominated the Italian Championship one week before (much more than in '14) and he was the best of the GC men in the prologue, then he attacked on the cobbles again but the stage was much easier. After his fall he began to suffer also mentally the critics, the situation inside the team, the fact that he could not probably be competitive for victory, etc. At least this is what it looked like from the outside. Then he began to lose time on Mure de bretagne and on PSM.
However his stage win at La Toussuire was on the level of his Tour'14 and Giro'13 performances, if not even more epic.
The stage after he punctured at the foot of Alpe and he made the second fastest ascent of the day after Quintana I think, he could have gone easily on the podium in 2015, he wasn't inferior to Valverde.

Also at the 2016 Giro he had something in his mind, because saying that Nibali found his form only in the last week is a myth. He was in great shape at that Giro, raced from the start as the main favorite attacking here and there, at Corvara everyone was expecting him to dominate but Kru and Chaves surprised a little bit everyone. Nibali's performance in the last two stages wasn't much different from the one in Corvara in terms of Wattage and VAM, he won because Kru committed suicide and Chaves collapsed.

But since he has left Astana he seems extremely more relaxed and easy-going.
 
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Red Rick said:
Yeah that Tour stage of 2015 is an underrated win. Solo from 50km out and climb La Toussuire faster than anyone else except for Froome and Quintana.

And I think that's an underrated quality. He can attack a penultimate climb without slowing down too much on the last climb.
Actually he went with around 62 km to the finish.
 
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Rollthedice said:
Red Rick said:
Yeah that Tour stage of 2015 is an underrated win. Solo from 50km out and climb La Toussuire faster than anyone else except for Froome and Quintana.

And I think that's an underrated quality. He can attack a penultimate climb without slowing down too much on the last climb.
Actually he went with around 62 km to the finish.
Yeah I was too lazy to check.
 
I think it's a good decision for him to race Dauphiné and Adriatica Ionica before the Tour. A whole month without racing (except on day at the NC) wouldn't be good for him. In the past few years he was rather underraced in the beginning of a Grand Tour than being to exhausted in the end. He seems to need quite a bit of racing to hit top shape.
 
Yeah, I think this is a logical decision too. Only the dauphine was already very little in the past and resulted in a bad early shape in 2015. Now that the tour is even further away from the dauphine, this as his final prep race would most certainly not be enough. Also, as Nibali usually gets better in the 2nd half of a gt I can't see him fading in the third week despite an additional prep race. The only question is whether he pays for these added racing days in fall when he goes for the WC
 
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Gigs_98 said:
Yeah, I think this is a logical decision too. Only the dauphine was already very little in the past and resulted in a bad early shape in 2015. Now that the tour is even further away from the dauphine, this as his final prep race would most certainly not be enough. Also, as Nibali usually gets better in the 2nd half of a gt I can't see him fading in the third week despite an additional prep race. The only question is whether he pays for these added racing days in fall when he goes for the WC
This year he had no altitude training camp until after the Ardennes classics, I guess that he and Slongo made their calsulations and with him only riding the Vuelta as a prep race for WC and Lombardia it shouldn't be a huge problem.
if the weather is nice I'll try to be on the finish line of the Giau MTF of the Adriatica Ionica race.
 
Gigs_98 said:
Yeah, I think this is a logical decision too. Only the dauphine was already very little in the past and resulted in a bad early shape in 2015. Now that the tour is even further away from the dauphine, this as his final prep race would most certainly not be enough. Also, as Nibali usually gets better in the 2nd half of a gt I can't see him fading in the third week despite an additional prep race. The only question is whether he pays for these added racing days in fall when he goes for the WC
2015 was more the crash on stage 6 or something than anything else. He was pretty solid in the prologue and on the Mur. He was also by far the most agressive on the cobbles but that stage simply wasn't hard enough.
 
skippo12 said:
Just read: No GC-ambitions for Dauphine...will go stage hunting.

I think most of us expected it and considering the delayed Tour start this year it is the right decision.
His declarations on the team website ahead of Dauphine are different.

“I have not run the Critérium for a few years and I am happy to come back. I have just finished 2 weeks training camp in Teide and the race will help me to see at what point of the programme I am in sight of the Tour de France. I would like to do well in some stages, maybe that of La Rosiere that I will face again in July, and get a good position in the general classification“.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Rollthedice said:
I am not so sure if he'll be at Adriatica Ionica. Dauphine finishes on the 10th, Adriatica is 20-24. Before the Tour he will go for a final training camp on San Pellegrino like every year so when will that fit?
10 days before, 10 days after!
From 13 to 24 June training altitude San Pellegrino, the usual before Le Tour, June 30 Italian Championships. Apparently he was testing sprints with Sonny on Teide for the road race in Boario Terme.
 
Nirvana said:
skippo12 said:
Just read: No GC-ambitions for Dauphine...will go stage hunting.

I think most of us expected it and considering the delayed Tour start this year it is the right decision.
His declarations on the team website ahead of Dauphine are different.

“I have not run the Critérium for a few years and I am happy to come back. I have just finished 2 weeks training camp in Teide and the race will help me to see at what point of the programme I am in sight of the Tour de France. I would like to do well in some stages, maybe that of La Rosiere that I will face again in July, and get a good position in the general classification“.
As we saw last year; winning a couple of stages can be a pretty good way to win the overall.
Though, I dunno how the team stacks up in the TTT
 
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