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Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

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Gigs_98 said:
I think the high altitude aspect is overrated. Nibali surely is good on high altitude but the distance is way more important for him and as all but two mountain stages are pretty short I'm not sure whether the route really suits him. On the other hand the giro is supposed to be the hardest in years so I think it's more likely to suit him
The two final mountain stages of Giro 2016 were pretty short, without the altitude of Agnello, Bonette, Lombarde i don't think the outcome would have been the same (even mantaining Kruijswijk suicide in the equation probably he would have finished behind Chaves and Valverde), the altitude favours him for sure when the lenght of the stages is reduced, where he needs the lenght is on easier, mono climbs, muritos to compensate his lack of punch.

Anyway if at the Giro there will be Yates and even Dumoulin will be hard also there for him.
 
Gigs_98 said:
I think the high altitude aspect is overrated. Nibali surely is good on high altitude but the distance is way more important for him and as all but two mountain stages are pretty short I'm not sure whether the route really suits him. On the other hand the giro is supposed to be the hardest in years so I think it's more likely to suit him

Altitude always gets to some GC riders. Valverde has had a few failures on such climbs. Nibali might want one last crack at the Tour especially after what happened this year but the Giro might be the more sensible option. At least he will dodge Froome, Quintana, Roglic and a few others. The Giro is probably better for Dumoulin and Simon Yates is also doing the Giro. I think Thomas will also stick with the Tour.
 
Nirvana said:
Gigs_98 said:
I think the high altitude aspect is overrated. Nibali surely is good on high altitude but the distance is way more important for him and as all but two mountain stages are pretty short I'm not sure whether the route really suits him. On the other hand the giro is supposed to be the hardest in years so I think it's more likely to suit him
The two final mountain stages of Giro 2016 were pretty short, without the altitude of Agnello, Bonette, Lombarde i don't think the outcome would have been the same (even mantaining Kruijswijk suicide in the equation probably he would have finished behind Chaves and Valverde), the altitude favours him for sure when the lenght of the stages is reduced, where he needs the lenght is on easier, mono climbs, muritos to compensate his lack of punch.

Anyway if at the Giro there will be Yates and even Dumoulin will be hard also there for him.

Surely it ain't gonna be easy but for all the right reasons he has to ride the Giro, Italia is waiting.
 
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Red Rick said:
Gigs_98 said:
Red Rick said:
It's the worst GT for Nibali I have ever seen.
Literally every vuelta route of the last decade disagrees
Literally every Vuelta route has had more mountain stages where a top Nibali could make a difference mano a mano than the 2019 Tour.

Take one look at especially the routes of 2013 and 2015.
But it really isn't just about the number of mountain stages. The 2014 tour could have had one mountain stage and he comfortably would have won anyway. What matters more than the number of mountain stages is how well they suit him and the typical vuelta mountain stage suits Nibali a lot less than the ones of this route.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
Red Rick said:
Gigs_98 said:
Red Rick said:
It's the worst GT for Nibali I have ever seen.
Literally every vuelta route of the last decade disagrees
Literally every Vuelta route has had more mountain stages where a top Nibali could make a difference mano a mano than the 2019 Tour.

Take one look at especially the routes of 2013 and 2015.
But it really isn't just about the number of mountain stages. The 2014 tour could have had one mountain stage and he comfortably would have won anyway. What matters more than the number of mountain stages is how well they suit him and the typical vuelta mountain stage suits Nibali a lot less than the ones of this route.
It is when the reference number is 0.

And in sheer quality there's no doubt the Vuelta's biggest mountains stages of the last few years are way, way harder than the crap in the 2019 route.
 
Since there's no reaction whatsoever from Nibali's camp regarding the Giro and the man is busy in Japan to collect a fee and have some fun with his wife here's what Cassani had to say:

"It’s an old-fashioned, demanding Giro for endurance riders. A tough ride, as it should be". The fact that it is divided into two parts does not mean that "makes it less interesting. In the first twelve stages there is not a climb that can make great gaps, but there are two time trials and if someone loses ground he will have to try to recover quickly ". The fight for the pink jersey will therefore experience a "crescendo of emotions before the grand finale, deadly, with high mountain stages with high mileage exactly as befits professionals".

"It's a Giro made especially for him, Vincenzo knows how to defend himself in time trials and in the third week he brings out the best of himself". When there is a scent of challenge, he is not the one who pulls back: "He has a courage out of the ordinary, look at the way he prepared and raced the worlds after what happened to him in the Tour. And he has talent, he has the taste for victory, rides with a sort of positive "menefreghismo" – “I don’t give a ****” that allows him to overcome critical moments. The man to beat will be Nibali"
 
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Red Rick said:
Nibali apparently mentioned the option of going for both the Giro and Tour next year.

I mean, whatever sinks the boat in shark infested waters after the Giro

Giro-Tour is not his thing, don't think he can be competitive in Tour so it would be a wasted opportunity for Vuelta. Hopefully the team will not pressure him for marketing reasons in that damn Tour. Yorkshire worlds could be interesting at 284.5 km with an in form Nibali after Vuelta.
 
Interview in Marca, some things:

On banning power meters

I do not know how much it is a good idea. It is difficult to know what would be the effect because when a rider goes well sometimes he saves his strength depending on what the watts tell him. I think that it benefits more those who manage worse their resources, but in the end the stronger always wins.

In training, they are essential because they make the preparation much better. Cycling is always evolving and they have contributed a lot to this sport. In the race it is something else. I repeat that when a rider is well, he uses it very little. It is an indicative data that can help you at a given moment, but when you are strong you hardly even look at it because you depend on the adrenaline, concentration and your value.

On Le Tour accident

It was serious because it brought many complications. It turned out to be a hard blow. For me and my team it was a very big setback that's why my group has filed a complaint to try to save damages and prejudices. Soon I have to go talk to the French Gendarme to clarify what happened. We'll see how it looks, it was a shame. I hope nobody has to suffer something similar.

On his contract with Bahrain

”I think I can continue here - he explains - Surely there is a good proposal and the will to continue. We will talk about it during the winter. I'm happy here, but I also have other offers from other important teams. Although I would prefer to stay, so I hope to reach an economic agreement”

On the future

“The generations are destined to change always - he comments - It is normal for young riders to emerge. Even younger guys, but this is not something that worries me. It's normal. There are Miguel Angel Lopez, Egan Bernal and company, but we veterans too will continue to fight as much as possible. In my case, I hope to be able to continue at least three years at a high level"

For 2019, in which the "worlds are not suitable", as well as the Grand Tours, he will aim at "success at the Liège - Bastogne - Liège and other prestigious classics". The Doyenne will therefore be an important moment of its next season, while for 2020 the crucial events seem like two more: World Championships and Olympics.

“I have not seen the parcours of Tokyo 2020, but the road race will be very tough - he concludes - On the other hand, the world championship jersey is a dream for me. This year in Austria was a great opportunity, given the very demanding route, but it was not possible for me to get in the best shape to contest it. I hope that in the future there will be a parcours of similar hardness and to be able to try to win because it really is one of the great goals that I miss in my sporting career ".
 
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samhocking said:
He was in London the other day talking at WTM. Sounds like he's wanting to be considered by Sky still.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/vincenzo-nibali-consider-future-team-sky-399522
Perhaps that's also cause it was in London though.

Honestly, one goodish thing that might come from that would be that Nibali might learn more than the ~2.9 words of English he speaks now.

Seriously, if Nibali spoke English even half decently it would've been so good for his marketability
 
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Red Rick said:
samhocking said:
He was in London the other day talking at WTM. Sounds like he's wanting to be considered by Sky still.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/vincenzo-nibali-consider-future-team-sky-399522
Perhaps that's also cause it was in London though.

Honestly, one goodish thing that might come from that would be that Nibali might learn more than the ~2.9 words of English he speaks now.

Seriously, if Nibali spoke English even half decently it would've been so good for his marketability

No, he was in London to promote Bahrain tourism, most likely for a decent fee. About Sky, if the anglo journo asks him "Would you consider an offer from Sky?", that's the kind of answer he will get, in Italoenglish.
 
samhocking said:
Well that's the 2nd time in as many months from two different countries he's said it, both times reinforcing Sky had tried to sign him earlier in his career
I though Sky giving him an offer years ago was common knowledge.

Sky trying again more recently, and it actually still being a relevant story in that it's actually a possibility is the news for m.e