Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Rollthedice]

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Just looking at his palmares, has any multiple grand tour winner ever been so disdainful (not a criticism) of other stage races?

Has any multiple grand tour winner been so successful in the most important one day races in recent times?

 

[Ivan_Basso_77]

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Just looking at his palmares, has any multiple grand tour winner ever been so disdainful (not a criticism) of other stage races?

Menchov and Heras are below him for sure. Besides, when he really wanted to win such a race he did show that he is capable of winning it. Tirreno and Trentino IMO are one of the best stage races. Besides, as Rollthedice pointed out, there is no other multiple GT winner who has performed so well in the Monuments this century.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah Nibali has nothing to prove in those races. As fun as they can be to watch, they're the first races to lose relevance for a rider as he achieves more greatness, simply because they're not the pinnacle of what they are and they get in the way of bigger things.

 

[Eli]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY VINCENZOOOO!....

 

[Rollthedice]

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Yeah Nibali has nothing to prove in those races. As fun as they can be to watch, they're the first races to lose relevance for a rider as he achieves more greatness, simply because they're not the pinnacle of what they are and they get in the way of bigger things.

It sure was fun to watch one of his trademark "it ain't over till it's over" action in stage 6 to Porto Sant'Elpidio, T-A 2013. Of course it was raining.

 

[Red Rick]

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Yeah Nibali has nothing to prove in those races. As fun as they can be to watch, they're the first races to lose relevance for a rider as he achieves more greatness, simply because they're not the pinnacle of what they are and they get in the way of bigger things.

It sure was fun to watch one of his trademark "it ain't over till it's over" action in stage 6 to Porto Sant'Elpidio, T-A 2013. Of course it was raining.

We need that stage back.

In Tirreno

And in the Giro.

 

[tobydawq]

Re: Re:

Yeah Nibali has nothing to prove in those races. As fun as they can be to watch, they're the first races to lose relevance for a rider as he achieves more greatness, simply because they're not the pinnacle of what they are and they get in the way of bigger things.

It sure was fun to watch one of his trademark "it ain't over till it's over" action in stage 6 to Porto Sant'Elpidio, T-A 2013. Of course it was raining.

We need that stage back.

In Tirreno

And in the Giro.

Sagan just cruising around with Purito and Nibali on 25% slopes.

Just a magical day.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

Yeah Nibali has nothing to prove in those races. As fun as they can be to watch, they're the first races to lose relevance for a rider as he achieves more greatness, simply because they're not the pinnacle of what they are and they get in the way of bigger things.

It sure was fun to watch one of his trademark "it ain't over till it's over" action in stage 6 to Porto Sant'Elpidio, T-A 2013. Of course it was raining.

We need that stage back.

In Tirreno

And in the Giro.

Sagan just cruising around with Purito and Nibali on 25% slopes.

Just a magical day.

27%. Actually Purito got back to Nibali and pal Sagan later when the race was completely blown apart with groups all over the road. One young guy named Dumoulin kept attacking on the wall but was going nowhere. And Andy Schleck went home when it was still sunny some 50km from the start.

 

[Red Rick]

I think Andy Schleck giong home was sadly more typical than Nibali or Sagan bossing it in the rain

Every day you remember Andy Schleck is younger than both Vincenzo Nibali and Chris Froome is a sad day

 

[Koronin]

Re: Re:

Just looking at his palmares, has any multiple grand tour winner ever been so disdainful (not a criticism) of other stage races?

Menchov, Heras, probably quite a few others. Pantani, Ullrich, Armstrong all never peaked for them. I think the GT specialists going for them is actually more of a recent thing.

I think it's basically been standard for a very long time for the pure climbers/GT riders to not peak in the spring for races like PN/TA and that stuff. Also, Nibali has the 2 wins in TA and Trentino.

So I don't think he's been that bad in that regard. It's only after 2014 that he's stopped trying to win and even now he usually shows up at least once in like Oman or Romandie depending on schedule.

Froome has largely abandoned the spring stage races too. And I think Contador and Quintana have given them too much attention, possibly to the detriment of their GT results.

Isn't that what Quintana was referring to before last season. Something about not wanting to race so much or being expected to win or something. Sorry don't remember the actual quote. Something about then being burned out by the time he gets to the Tour. So they went the opposite way this year and the Spring races he was sent to he was to ride in support of other riders.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Just looking at his palmares, has any multiple grand tour winner ever been so disdainful (not a criticism) of other stage races?

Menchov, Heras, probably quite a few others. Pantani, Ullrich, Armstrong all never peaked for them. I think the GT specialists going for them is actually more of a recent thing.

I think it's basically been standard for a very long time for the pure climbers/GT riders to not peak in the spring for races like PN/TA and that stuff. Also, Nibali has the 2 wins in TA and Trentino.

So I don't think he's been that bad in that regard. It's only after 2014 that he's stopped trying to win and even now he usually shows up at least once in like Oman or Romandie depending on schedule.

Froome has largely abandoned the spring stage races too. And I think Contador and Quintana have given them too much attention, possibly to the detriment of their GT results.

Isn't that what Quintana was referring to before last season. Something about not wanting to race so much or being expected to win or something. Sorry don't remember the actual quote. Something about then being burned out by the time he gets to the Tour. So they went the opposite way this year and the Spring races he was sent to he was to ride in support of other riders.

Yes.

Contador said the same thing last year.

Then he proceeded to get

2nd in Ruta del Sol
2nd in Paris Nice
2nd in Volta Catalynia
2nd in Pais Vasco

It was infuriating.

Really I think it's much better to only ride 2 of the last 3, and only go for a result in one of them.

 

[Koronin]

Re: Re:

Just looking at his palmares, has any multiple grand tour winner ever been so disdainful (not a criticism) of other stage races?

Menchov, Heras, probably quite a few others. Pantani, Ullrich, Armstrong all never peaked for them. I think the GT specialists going for them is actually more of a recent thing.

I think it's basically been standard for a very long time for the pure climbers/GT riders to not peak in the spring for races like PN/TA and that stuff. Also, Nibali has the 2 wins in TA and Trentino.

So I don't think he's been that bad in that regard. It's only after 2014 that he's stopped trying to win and even now he usually shows up at least once in like Oman or Romandie depending on schedule.

Froome has largely abandoned the spring stage races too. And I think Contador and Quintana have given them too much attention, possibly to the detriment of their GT results.

Isn't that what Quintana was referring to before last season. Something about not wanting to race so much or being expected to win or something. Sorry don't remember the actual quote. Something about then being burned out by the time he gets to the Tour. So they went the opposite way this year and the Spring races he was sent to he was to ride in support of other riders.

Yes.

Contador said the same thing last year.

Then he proceeded to get

2nd in Ruta del Sol
2nd in Paris Nice
2nd in Volta Catalynia
2nd in Pais Vasco

It was infuriating.

Really I think it's much better to only ride 2 of the last 3, and only go for a result in one of them.

Yep and he lost 3 of those races by something like a total of 7 seconds to prove your point even more.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

Just looking at his palmares, has any multiple grand tour winner ever been so disdainful (not a criticism) of other stage races?

Menchov, Heras, probably quite a few others. Pantani, Ullrich, Armstrong all never peaked for them. I think the GT specialists going for them is actually more of a recent thing.

I think it's basically been standard for a very long time for the pure climbers/GT riders to not peak in the spring for races like PN/TA and that stuff. Also, Nibali has the 2 wins in TA and Trentino.

So I don't think he's been that bad in that regard. It's only after 2014 that he's stopped trying to win and even now he usually shows up at least once in like Oman or Romandie depending on schedule.

Froome has largely abandoned the spring stage races too. And I think Contador and Quintana have given them too much attention, possibly to the detriment of their GT results.

Isn't that what Quintana was referring to before last season. Something about not wanting to race so much or being expected to win or something. Sorry don't remember the actual quote. Something about then being burned out by the time he gets to the Tour. So they went the opposite way this year and the Spring races he was sent to he was to ride in support of other riders.

Yes.

Contador said the same thing last year.

Then he proceeded to get

2nd in Ruta del Sol
2nd in Paris Nice
2nd in Volta Catalynia
2nd in Pais Vasco

It was infuriating.

Really I think it's much better to only ride 2 of the last 3, and only go for a result in one of them.

It takes a different mindset, a proper personal trainer in which to trust blindly, a lot of frustrations and the ability to handle the pressure and expectations to perform during the prep period in order to aim for and hit one or two monster peaks during a season. Slongo followed Nibali to Astana after the 2013 season finished and it is after that the monster peak was implemented successfully, until then Nibs was highly competitive in some other parts of the season outside grand tours. 2014 was very frustrating for him, lots of emotions poured out when he finally won the Italian national RR, he was crying like a baby. So, it is a difficult approach but most of the time it s worth it.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Just looking at his palmares, has any multiple grand tour winner ever been so disdainful (not a criticism) of other stage races?

Menchov, Heras, probably quite a few others. Pantani, Ullrich, Armstrong all never peaked for them. I think the GT specialists going for them is actually more of a recent thing.

I think it's basically been standard for a very long time for the pure climbers/GT riders to not peak in the spring for races like PN/TA and that stuff. Also, Nibali has the 2 wins in TA and Trentino.

So I don't think he's been that bad in that regard. It's only after 2014 that he's stopped trying to win and even now he usually shows up at least once in like Oman or Romandie depending on schedule.

Froome has largely abandoned the spring stage races too. And I think Contador and Quintana have given them too much attention, possibly to the detriment of their GT results.

Isn't that what Quintana was referring to before last season. Something about not wanting to race so much or being expected to win or something. Sorry don't remember the actual quote. Something about then being burned out by the time he gets to the Tour. So they went the opposite way this year and the Spring races he was sent to he was to ride in support of other riders.

Yes.

Contador said the same thing last year.

Then he proceeded to get

2nd in Ruta del Sol
2nd in Paris Nice
2nd in Volta Catalynia
2nd in Pais Vasco

It was infuriating.

Really I think it's much better to only ride 2 of the last 3, and only go for a result in one of them.

It takes a different mindset, a proper personal trainer in which to trust blindly, a lot of frustrations and the ability to handle the pressure and expectations to perform during the prep period in order to aim for and hit one or two monster peaks during a season. Slongo followed Nibali to Astana after the 2013 season finished and it is after that the monster peak was implemented successfully, until then Nibs was highly competitive in some other parts of the season outside grand tours. 2014 was very frustrating for him, lots of emotions poured out when he finally won the Italian national RR, he was crying like a baby. So, it is a difficult approach but most of the time it s worth it.

I don't think it's that much about having a higher peak, but more about making sure you're fresh.

Nibali's 2013 Giro was already a very, very high level. Biggest difference between then and the Tour a year later was I think he was a bit lighter, and I'm pretty sure it's generally easier to be super light in July than in May. Being July level skinny in May 2013 might have been a disaster in the snow lol.

 

[Rollthedice]

The snow and the shark.

 

[Koronin]

Re: Re:

Just looking at his palmares, has any multiple grand tour winner ever been so disdainful (not a criticism) of other stage races?

Menchov, Heras, probably quite a few others. Pantani, Ullrich, Armstrong all never peaked for them. I think the GT specialists going for them is actually more of a recent thing.

I think it's basically been standard for a very long time for the pure climbers/GT riders to not peak in the spring for races like PN/TA and that stuff. Also, Nibali has the 2 wins in TA and Trentino.

So I don't think he's been that bad in that regard. It's only after 2014 that he's stopped trying to win and even now he usually shows up at least once in like Oman or Romandie depending on schedule.

Froome has largely abandoned the spring stage races too. And I think Contador and Quintana have given them too much attention, possibly to the detriment of their GT results.

Isn't that what Quintana was referring to before last season. Something about not wanting to race so much or being expected to win or something. Sorry don't remember the actual quote. Something about then being burned out by the time he gets to the Tour. So they went the opposite way this year and the Spring races he was sent to he was to ride in support of other riders.

Yes.

Contador said the same thing last year.

Then he proceeded to get

2nd in Ruta del Sol
2nd in Paris Nice
2nd in Volta Catalynia
2nd in Pais Vasco

It was infuriating.

Really I think it's much better to only ride 2 of the last 3, and only go for a result in one of them.

It takes a different mindset, a proper personal trainer in which to trust blindly, a lot of frustrations and the ability to handle the pressure and expectations to perform during the prep period in order to aim for and hit one or two monster peaks during a season. Slongo followed Nibali to Astana after the 2013 season finished and it is after that the monster peak was implemented successfully, until then Nibs was highly competitive in some other parts of the season outside grand tours. 2014 was very frustrating for him, lots of emotions poured out when he finally won the Italian national RR, he was crying like a baby. So, it is a difficult approach but most of the time it s worth it.

I don't think it's that much about having a higher peak, but more about making sure you're fresh.

Nibali's 2013 Giro was already a very, very high level. Biggest difference between then and the Tour a year later was I think he was a bit lighter, and I'm pretty sure it's generally easier to be super light in July than in May. Being July level skinny in May 2013 might have been a disaster in the snow lol.[/quote]


I think it's a combination of things. I actually think it's possible that being fresher AND aiming for a specific peak may appear that you are having a higher peak. To do this you also have to be willing to give up certain things to go after something else.

 

[Flat Out]

Meanwhile, in Tuscany.....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqStyyelk5I/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

 

[Rollthedice]

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Meanwhile, in Tuscany.....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqStyyelk5I/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

Actually there's three videos there shot by brother Antonio, nice to see him having fun and most likely his spine is as good as new. The location is Lamporecchio, the place where he moved from Sicily and started riding as a junior with Mastromarco, he must know every road there. Can't wait for next season.

 

[huge]

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Meanwhile, in Tuscany.....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqStyyelk5I/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

Actually there's three videos there shot by brother Antonio, nice to see him having fun and most likely his spine is as good as new. The location is Lamporecchio, the place where he moved from Sicily and started riding as a junior with Mastromarco, he must know every road there. Can't wait for next season.

Actually 4 videos

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqTCbFmg4dF/

Antonio is pretty good on off road... there is a funny moment when Vincenzo disappears from the shot for a few moments and Antonio start laughing and says "The Shark got lost hahaha... "


Antonio is living in Lamporecchio.
And also Visconti is close by, living on the San Baronto, the hill overlooking Lamporecchio.

Beautiful part of Northern Tuscany.

 

[Red Rick]

Love those video's

It's pretty crazy to see how confident they are driftin on roads like that on such a bike

 

[Axel Hangleck]

He got a new CX bike for his birthday from Merida and as seen in the videos above, seems to be having lots of fun. Always good to see the pros enjoying riding their bikes - it's not just a 'job'.

 

[Climbing]

 

[Oliver]

Great to see, love this.
Tuscany seems pretty nice

 

[Tim Booth]

After Chris Froome, Nairo Quintana, Miguel Angel Lopez, Alejandro Valverde, Julian Alaphilippe and Rigoberto Uran, another name comes to the Colombia Oro y Paz. Jorge Ovidio González, president of the Colombian federation, confirmed the arrival of Vincenzo Nibali.
indeleiderstrui.nl

 

[Rollthedice]

After Chris Froome, Nairo Quintana, Miguel Angel Lopez, Alejandro Valverde, Julian Alaphilippe and Rigoberto Uran, another name comes to the Colombia Oro y Paz. Jorge Ovidio González, president of the Colombian federation, confirmed the arrival of Vincenzo Nibali.
indeleiderstrui.nl

It's now called Tour Colombia, 12-17 feb. No confirmation yet from Nibali camp, remains to be seen, could be his first race in 2019.