Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

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The thing is there has never been a better time for a rider to win the Tour

Froome out
Thomas tired and not fully prepared
Dumoulin with knee problems
Roglic and Carapaz not there
Fuglsang after a very very hard spring
Quintana,Bardet and Porte looking lack lusture

This could be the year of the surprise
 
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My thinking is that history suggests he will not be able to contend for the overall in the Tour, but having Caruso there is indicative of them at least allowing for the possibility of trying to get on the podium. He is too good, and having worked so much in the Giro, it makes no sense to have him there just to make up the numbers. I think Caruso is better for the TTT than Pozzovivo, so I think that is another clue that the team selection is being made with a GC effort for Nibali in mind.

All that being said, I also think that they are in a position to be realistic about the riders they have available. The first nine stages include four that should appeal to Mohoric and Teuns, possibly even to Garcia Cortina. Having riders chase those stages should keep Nibali from having his team do any work on the front of the peloton, meaning he can save himself for the two stages that do matter for GC - the TTT and the stage to PdBF. Thus, the team can reassess at the first rest day, and decide what the plan for the rest of the Tour will be.

Keep in mind also that I think there is some planning going on for seeing if Dennis can make the transition to a GT contender. Having a Nibali absorb all the attention in the first week makes it possible for Dennis to ride without as much pressure. Will be very interested to see how Dennis does on the PdBF, as he should not be required for Nibali there with Caruso riding. Whether Dennis drops early on the final climb of that stage or not, if Nibali falters there, they can switch their objective to supporting Dennis for GC pretty easily, I would think. And with the ITT still to come, Dennis has at least one stage left where he should be able to make up some time on other GC riders, with one or two exceptions perhaps.

I just think that the Bahrain Merida team may actually be constituted of some options that perfectly suit having multiple objectives that can allow them to be flexible in how they ride the Tour this year. And that is largely a function of having Teuns, Mohoric, and Dennis there.
 
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SafeBet said:
What makes you believe he can be competitive in two GTs in a row? He has never done that.
We know that usually his form improves at the end of GTs, in 2017 he was stronger a month after the Vuelta than during the Vuelta and IMHO in 2015 he could have been stronger in the Vuelta than in the Tour without the tow considering his dominance in Italian races between September and October so I don't think it's out of the world imagining a Nibali in top shape for the Tour if in this month has trained well and not give up with the idea of going only for KOM and stages and maybe build for the second part of the season like he did in 2016.
 
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HelloDolly said:
The thing is there has never been a better time for a rider to win the Tour

Froome out
Thomas tired and not fully prepared
Dumoulin with knee problems
Roglic and Carapaz not there
Fuglsang after a very very hard spring
Quintana,Bardet and Porte looking lack lusture

This could be the year of the surprise
Don't forget Eric Mas
 
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HelloDolly said:
The thing is there has never been a better time for a rider to win the Tour

Froome out
Thomas tired and not fully prepared
Dumoulin with knee problems
Roglic and Carapaz not there
Fuglsang after a very very hard spring
Quintana,Bardet and Porte looking lack lusture

This could be the year of the surprise
Didn't noticed that affected his performance at the Dauphine...
Anyway it will be between Fuglsang, Landa and Pinot.
 
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HelloDolly said:
The thing is there has never been a better time for a rider to win the Tour

Froome out
Thomas tired and not fully prepared
Dumoulin with knee problems
Roglic and Carapaz not there
Fuglsang after a very very hard spring
Quintana,Bardet and Porte looking lack lusture

This could be the year of the surprise
And the not so big surprises will be Bernal and Mas :)
 
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HelloDolly said:
The thing is there has never been a better time for a rider to win the Tour

Froome out
Thomas tired and not fully prepared
Dumoulin with knee problems
Roglic and Carapaz not there
Fuglsang after a very very hard spring
Quintana,Bardet and Porte looking lack lusture

This could be the year of the surprise
So your only hope of winning is if the favourite crashed out and and the others are tired and off form .....what a way to be a idol to the kids
 
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rick james said:
HelloDolly said:
The thing is there has never been a better time for a rider to win the Tour

Froome out
Thomas tired and not fully prepared
Dumoulin with knee problems
Roglic and Carapaz not there
Fuglsang after a very very hard spring
Quintana,Bardet and Porte looking lack lusture

This could be the year of the surprise
So your only hope of winning is if the favourite crashed out and and the others are tired and off form .....what a way to be a idol to the kids
You're the idol Rick for your incisive posts.
 
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Rollthedice said:
Mayomaniac said:
SafeBet said:
What makes you believe he can be competitive in two GTs in a row? He has never done that.
He has also never tried that, the 2nd gt was usually just preparation to get ready for a big one day race, so who knows.
As I posted a few pages back, there will be no altitude training, all he does is Livigno, no hard work just trying to keep in shape, with Caruso and joined by their families. In 2016 after Giro and before TdF to prepare the Olympics he did a training camp in San Pellegrino and he was complete crap until the end of the Tour. I guess we'll find out more during and after the Italian Championships but given how he and Slongo operate it's hard to think he'll go for GC in France.
This heavily suggests that he won't go for GC, but mostly I think he doesn't even want to be there, to begin with.
But maybe I'm wrong, after all those defections one starts to change his mind, in top shape would certainly be one of the favourites...
 
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Climbing said:
Rollthedice said:
Mayomaniac said:
SafeBet said:
What makes you believe he can be competitive in two GTs in a row? He has never done that.
He has also never tried that, the 2nd gt was usually just preparation to get ready for a big one day race, so who knows.
As I posted a few pages back, there will be no altitude training, all he does is Livigno, no hard work just trying to keep in shape, with Caruso and joined by their families. In 2016 after Giro and before TdF to prepare the Olympics he did a training camp in San Pellegrino and he was complete crap until the end of the Tour. I guess we'll find out more during and after the Italian Championships but given how he and Slongo operate it's hard to think he'll go for GC in France.
This heavily suggests that he won't go for GC, but mostly I think he doesn't even want to be there, to begin with.
But maybe I'm wrong, after all those defections one starts to change his mind, in top shape would certainly be one of the favourites...

He's gonna be smelling coffee throughout the Tour. Time to move on.
 
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rick james said:
HelloDolly said:
The thing is there has never been a better time for a rider to win the Tour

Froome out
Thomas tired and not fully prepared
Dumoulin with knee problems
Roglic and Carapaz not there
Fuglsang after a very very hard spring
Quintana,Bardet and Porte looking lack lusture

This could be the year of the surprise
So your only hope of winning is if the favourite crashed out and and the others are tired and off form .....what a way to be a idol to the kids

I am stating facts ...not ideals

Nibali has already ridden a GT a few weeks back and came second...in such a case he would not be competitive against a fully fit Froome ,Thomas , Dumoulin, etc
But given he has aa Giro in his legs then he may have a chance at a second GT f he and the team are up for it

Not a bad idol for kids to be honest ...shows that you can be competitive twice
Why you want to twist it into some terrible ambition I am sure I dont know
Afterall many riders win races when another isnt there or has a GT already in their legs !!!!!!
 
TBM’s line-up for the national championship: Vincenzo Nibali, Antonio Nibali, Damiano Caruso, Domenico Pozzovivo, Valerio Agnoli, Andrea Garosio and Sonny. Delfino is the DS, Vincenzo the captain with Pozzo and Caruso on his side.

“We worked well for two weeks to recover from the Tour of Italy and prepare for the Tour de France – says Damiano – I saw that the route is very particular with almost 4000 meters of elevation gain and therefore I expect a lot of selection. I am ready to give my contribution as well as, if there is the possibility, to try to win ”.
 
I've a feeling that Nibali will finish on the podium. Not the top spot but maybe squeeze into 3rd. I'm thinking he's gonna gain some time early on and hang on til the end. The other contenders may leave him alone to start off with thinking he not gonna do much with having done the Giro then stay up there for the remainder.
 
wheresmybrakes said:
I've a feeling that Nibali will finish on the podium. Not the top spot but maybe squeeze into 3rd. I'm thinking he's gonna gain some time early on and hang on til the end. The other contenders may leave him alone to start off with thinking he not gonna do much with having done the Giro then stay up there for the remainder.
I'm not sure that even Nibali knows what to expect. He never really did back to back GTs for GC. I'd say a lot will depend on PdBF stage. Can't wait for the "going day by day" statements and the "sensations" assessment.
 
Rollthedice said:
wheresmybrakes said:
I've a feeling that Nibali will finish on the podium. Not the top spot but maybe squeeze into 3rd. I'm thinking he's gonna gain some time early on and hang on til the end. The other contenders may leave him alone to start off with thinking he not gonna do much with having done the Giro then stay up there for the remainder.
I'm not sure that even Nibali knows what to expect. He never really did back to back GTs for GC. I'd say a lot will depend on PdBF stage. Can't wait for the "going day by day" statements and the "sensations" assessment.
"Winning stages in the 3rd week"
 
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TourOfSardinia said:
movingtarget said:
Stage wins I think. Might have been better off waiting for the Vuelta.
wasn't his choice.
Remember he kinda deliberately got disqualified from the 2015 vuelta - a GT he was forced into to 'support' Aru.
I think he was just desperately trying to preserve a chance to go for GC after an extremely unfortunate crash that was going to cost him around five minutes.
 
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tobydawq said:
TourOfSardinia said:
movingtarget said:
Stage wins I think. Might have been better off waiting for the Vuelta.
wasn't his choice.
Remember he kinda deliberately got disqualified from the 2015 vuelta - a GT he was forced into to 'support' Aru.
I think he was just desperately trying to preserve a chance to go for GC after an extremely unfortunate crash that was going to cost him around five minutes.
Yes. Plus the overly enthusiastic DS who was driving the car. A frustrating year which ended on a high note with him smashing the autumn Italian classics.
 
Imagine frigging Astana in the 2015 with Nibali.

As for this Tour, I just hope he's not too dead to be true to the kind of rider he is. Really anonymous top 10 would suck, going for stages and still being bad would suck, but if he has the legs to attack, fail and still ride a GC it would be a bit better.
 
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