Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Rollthedice]

He attacked first on Poggio and launched Alaphilippe and Van Aert in the winning move, today he forced on the descent to make the selection for the final group who contested the win. Actually I was expecting a worse Nibali today, he was decent for what we are used to see him after just a few racing days into the season.

 

[Red Rick]

He attacked first on Poggio and launched Alaphilippe and Van Aert in the winning move, today he forced on the descent to make the selection for the final group who contested the win. Actually I was expecting a worse Nibali today, he was decent for what we are used to see him after just a few racing days into the season.

Ever the kingmaker

 

[Forever The Best]

I think Nibali's ability to read a 1-day race is amazing and is better than his ability to read a GT. He makes some tactical mistakes in GTs ( giving Carapaz minutes in 2019 Giro, going to deep and blowing up in Oropa and Blockhaus in 2017 Giro ) but he is usually involved with the winning move in the classics. What do you think?

 

[Red Rick]

I think Nibali's ability to read a 1-day race is amazing and is better than his ability to read a GT. He makes some tactical mistakes in GTs ( giving Carapaz minutes in 2019 Giro, going to deep and blowing up in Oropa and Blockhaus in 2017 Giro ) but he is usually involved with the winning move in the classics. What do you think?

Pretty much.

 

[skippo12]

I think Nibali's ability to read a 1-day race is amazing and is better than his ability to read a GT. He makes some tactical mistakes in GTs ( giving Carapaz minutes in 2019 Giro, going to deep and blowing up in Oropa and Blockhaus in 2017 Giro ) but he is usually involved with the winning move in the classics. What do you think?

Probably. He even launched the attack that lead to Terpstras Ronde win in 2018 before he was dropped on the false flat.

 

[Red Rick]

Probably. He even launched the attack that lead to Terpstras Ronde win in 2018 before he was dropped on the false flat.

I totally forgot that one

 

[Gigs_98]

Yeah, always found it kinda funny that in 2018 Nibali won a monument, but innitiated the winning moves in two. And neither of those two were the monument he won.

I'm kinda disappointed about the result today but I guess I shouldn't have expected more. For years he's been struggeling in races he didn't have a perfect preperation for and today that was the case again. Still, another monument he massively shaped, although this time I wish he wouldn't have.

 

[topcat]

It makes me wonder how many monument wins he'd have now if he hadn't focussed on gts

 

[Rollthedice]

It makes me wonder how many monument wins he'd have now if he hadn't focussed on gts

He is first and foremost a GT rider, I can't see him focused on classics, maybe in two years, who knows, time is running out. Nevertheless Nibali just got his 13th top ten in a Monument.

 

[topcat]

He is first and foremost a GT rider, I can't see him focused on classics, maybe in two years, who knows, time is running out. Nevertheless Nibali just got his 13th top ten in a Monument.

So you're saying 13 wins

 

[Red Rick]

Nevertheless Nibali just got his 13th top ten in a Monument.

Is this this the Valverde thread?

 

[Rollthedice]

Is this this the Valverde thread?

No, he has 14.

 

[Tonton]

I think Nibali's ability to read a 1-day race is amazing and is better than his ability to read a GT. He makes some tactical mistakes in GTs ( giving Carapaz minutes in 2019 Giro, going to deep and blowing up in Oropa and Blockhaus in 2017 Giro ) but he is usually involved with the winning move in the classics. What do you think?

As he got older, he started talking smack, playing mind games, and talking too much in between GT stages. In one-day races, by definition, you can't. So yes, I agree post-'14, when he read the TdF like an open book and won it in the first week, Sheffield, cobbles, 2'30" smack. Master tactician, making the best of his assets, but sometimes guys are better. Overachiever if you will.

 

[SafeBet]

Trek was overall painful to watch tactically speaking. Nibali tried to make a selection on the descent, which was fine, but they were clueless on the flat.

Probably that's what they were told to do from the DS, but I wouldn't say he was tactically perfect in this race.

 

[Red Rick]

Trek was overall painful to watch tactically speaking. Nibali tried to make a selection on the descent, which was fine, but they were clueless on the flat.

Probably that's what they were told to do from the DS, but I wouldn't say he was tactically perfect in this race.

I don't think it would've changed the results very much.

 

[Red Rick]

As he got older, he started talking smack, playing mind games, and talking too much in between GT stages. In one-day races, by definition, you can't. So yes, I agree post-'14, when he read the TdF like an open book and won it in the first week, Sheffield, cobbles, 2'30" smack. Master tactician, making the best of his assets, but sometimes guys are better. Overachiever if you will.

Pretty much.

I'd say in GTs Nibali does still have some great tactics in winning stages instead of winning the GC, like in Sheffield and Andorra.

 

[SafeBet]

I don't think it would've changed the results very much.

99% not.
But what's the point of having a superior team if you don't use it? At least make Vlasov die on the flat chasing your attacks and see what happens next.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

As he got older, he started talking smack, playing mind games, and talking too much in between GT stages. In one-day races, by definition, you can't. So yes, I agree post-'14, when he read the TdF like an open book and won it in the first week, Sheffield, cobbles, 2'30" smack. Master tactician, making the best of his assets, but sometimes guys are better. Overachiever if you will.

I had to re read that as I thought for a moment you said he started taking smack!

 

[gregrowlerson]

I had to re read that as I thought for a moment you said he started taking smack!

Different forum

 

[Oliver]

Actually I’m a little dissapointed, in this field... I expected more. But let’s hope he’s keeping his best shape for the Giro...

 

[Rollthedice]

Actually I’m a little dissapointed, in this field... I expected more. But let’s hope he’s keeping his best shape for the Giro...

Not really, think of it like two weeks of competitive racing in early spring with his target coming up in two months time except it's over 30 degrees and there's two monuments 7 days apart. Then look at his competition for the Giro, one is out, one is in a worse position that him right now, one is invisible and one is already flying sky high. Given the type of rider he is, the usual approach to his main targets and the unusual circumstances I think he's doing the best possible.

Tuesday he is riding Giro dell'Emilia.

 

[Lo squalo di messina]

Zo hard ging het in de afdaling van de Sormano: Nibali deelt op Strava de gegevens waarmee hij Evenepoel onder druk zette

Van 75 kilometer per uur naar 35 kilometer per uur. Aan een rotvaart doken ze de bocht in. Het waanzinnig tempo van specialist Vincenzo Nibali volgend. De Italiaan pakte ‘en passant’ de KOM - afkorting voor King of The Mountain op Strava, Evenepoel dook tot eenieders afgrijzen het ravijn in...

m.hln.be

Nibali s strava file analysed. Fastest descent ever apparently.

 

[Red Rick]

Zo hard ging het in de afdaling van de Sormano: Nibali deelt op Strava de gegevens waarmee hij Evenepoel onder druk zette

Van 75 kilometer per uur naar 35 kilometer per uur. Aan een rotvaart doken ze de bocht in. Het waanzinnig tempo van specialist Vincenzo Nibali volgend. De Italiaan pakte ‘en passant’ de KOM - afkorting voor King of The Mountain op Strava, Evenepoel dook tot eenieders afgrijzen het ravijn in...

m.hln.be

Nibali s strava file analysed. Fastest descent ever apparently.

The real monuments are the Strava KOMs we took along the way

 

[Rollthedice]

100% Italian team tomorrow in Giro dell'Emilia. Antonio is back, Conci, Mosca, Ciccone, Brambilla and Nibali. Six for San Luca.

 

[HelloDolly]

And people still question if the shark vodoo is real

No Evenepoel and probably no Carapaz or else a tired Carapaz

That leaves Simon Yates and we saw how he ran out of energy before
And Fuglsang ..well TT miles and high mountains should see him off