Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Rollthedice]

Lo Squalo will soon arrive in Spain and will stay there for quite some time. Here are the next races before the Vuelta:

Prueba Villafranca, 25 July, Vuelta Castilla y Leon, 27 - 28 July, Clasica di San Sebastian 30 July and Vuelta Burgos 2-6 August.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Lo Squalo will soon arrive in Spain and will stay there for quite some time. Here are the next races before the Vuelta:

Prueba Villafranca, 25 July, Vuelta Castilla y Leon, 27 - 28 July, Clasica di San Sebastian 30 July and Vuelta Burgos 2-6 August.

San Sebastian is a race I wish he could add in his palmares before retirement, first participation in 12 years I think.

It's a good number of racedays to build form for the vuelta.

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

He won't try to do the GC in the Vuelta, right? Right?!

 

[Ilmaestro99]

He won't try to do the GC in the Vuelta, right? Right?!

He has been training on the TT bike in Livigno. On Sunday he did 103km TT Bike ride. Maybe just having fun, or maybe...

 

[Lo squalo di messina]

Did anyone watch lo squalo tv? I would love to watch it but i dont speak italian.

 

[SafeBet]

Did anyone watch lo squalo tv? I would love to watch it but i dont speak italian.

Watch the episode with Pozzovivo and Bernal (was it the first?)

 

[Lo squalo di messina]

The first one was with pozzo and viviani. Second episode had bernal and pozzo if i m not mistaken.

 

[Rollthedice]

With all this preparation exclusively in Spain and now with Lopez most likely out of the picture I kind of have the feeling he will ride the Vuelta as a GC man. Which of course is not so good.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

With all this preparation exclusively in Spain and now with Lopez most likely out of the picture I kind of have the feeling he will ride the Vuelta as a GC man. Which of course is not so good.

Plus TT bike training in recent Livigno training camp.

It's a strange decision to potentially compromise that end of season form. But Vincenzo know his body and his ambitions.

Have you heard anymore about possible postponement of retirement until roubaix/Giro 2023?

 

[SafeBet]

Plus TT bike training in recent Livigno training camp.

It's a strange decision to potentially compromise that end of season form. But Vincenzo know his body and his ambitions.

Have you heard anymore about possible postponement of retirement until roubaix/Giro 2023?

In the latest episode of Squalo TV he said there are many options on the table for 2023 and road racing is the least probable, but he didn't rule it out.

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

I am thinking guys. If Vingo is the new Froome, and Pogi the new Contador... who is gonna be the new Nibali? Is it even possible for such a rider to exist?

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I am thinking guys. If Vingo is the new Froome, and Pogi the new Contador... who is gonna be the new Nibali? Is it even possible for such a rider to exist?

Those comparisons aren't very good , and there will never be another Vincenzo. But there is already another Nibali

 

[SHAD0W93]

I am thinking guys. If Vingo is the new Froome, and Pogi the new Contador... who is gonna be the new Nibali? Is it even possible for such a rider to exist?

Bernal as he has been getting those saying he was lucky to win a GT like Nibali when he was starting.

 

[Rollthedice]

I am thinking guys. If Vingo is the new Froome, and Pogi the new Contador... who is gonna be the new Nibali? Is it even possible for such a rider to exist?

You know the answer. Just stumbled upon some cycling statistics which, if accurate, prove Nibali's consistency and the quality of his timetrialing during Grand Tours. Here's top five for active riders with most top 10 in ITTs in GTs.

18 | Nibali
16 | Froome
15 | Dumoulin
13 | Roglic
11 | Valverde

And a nice picture from the Mortirolo 2019 to start the hype for the second part of the season.

 

[Summoned]

You know the answer. Just stumbled upon some cycling statistics which, if accurate, prove Nibali's consistency and the quality of his timetrialing during Grand Tours. Here's top five for active riders with most top 10 in ITTs in GTs.

18 | Nibali
16 | Froome
15 | Dumoulin
13 | Roglic
11 | Valverde

And a nice picture from the Mortirolo 2019 to start the hype for the second part of the season.

That is a fascinating statistic. Well done to find that.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Bernal as he has been getting those saying he was lucky to win a GT like Nibali when he was starting.

Maybe, but Carapaz sounds more accurate to me. His big wins usually get disrespected.

 

[Red Rick]

Maybe, but Carapaz sounds more accurate to me. His big wins usually get disrespected.

At least he has 2 big wins.

 

[Rollthedice]

Tomorrow Nibali will ride Prueba Villafranca-Ordiziako Klasika 2022. It's a good startlist, apparently will be streamed here:

View: https://youtu.be/7JcgX7FHxqk

 

[Carols]

Maybe, but Carapaz sounds more accurate to me. His big wins usually get disrespected.

Yeah, 'but he only won the Giro 2019 because Nibs was obsessed with Roglic'. You mean remarks like that, that are true?

 

[Carl0880]

I wonder how much the teams current situation in the UCI ranking factors in this considering they are rock bottom of the Pro Tour teams going into final week of TDF. This maybe a factor in both his GC ambition and staying on till the Giro.

Plus TT bike training in recent Livigno training camp.

It's a strange decision to potentially compromise that end of season form. But Vincenzo know his body and his ambitions.

Have you heard anymore about possible postponement of retirement until roubaix/Giro 2023?

 

[YavorD]

I am thinking guys. If Vingo is the new Froome, and Pogi the new Contador... who is gonna be the new Nibali? Is it even possible for such a rider to exist?

I'd actually put Pogacar as the new Nibali rather than new Contador. Contador barely did anything other than stage racing.
Nibali and Pog are doing classics and actully wining some.

 

[SafeBet]

Yeah, 'but he only won the Giro 2019 because Nibs was obsessed with Roglic'. You mean remarks like that, that are true?

Like fans of other riders will tell you Nibali won most of his races because the best riders crashed out or stuff like that.
Same narrative.

That being said, both Nibali's climbing and time trialling at peak were superior to Carapaz', no doubt about that.

 

[Rollthedice]

I'd actually put Pogacar as the new Nibali rather than new Contador. Contador barely did anything other than stage racing.
Nibali and Pog are doing classics and actully wining some.

Indeed. Actually Nibali is (rather was) the single multiple GT winner since the old days who bagged a few monuments (3). Pogacar is the next one.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Indeed. Actually Nibali is (rather was) the single multiple GT winner since the old days who bagged a few monuments (3). Pogacar is the next one.

The difference is that, with the exception of this 2022 Tour de france, Pogacar has been the strongest, the dominant force and could win in most scenarios.

Nibali was the never the strongest from a physiological perspective, at least in the monuments, but demonstrated greatness in a way that most riders could never do.

 

[SafeBet]

Pogacar has almost as many wins in his career as Nibali. And he's 23.
Unless something unexpected happens he will retire with a much better palmares than Nibali (in both GTs and Monuments).

There's really no comparision for Pogacar this century. Not Froome, not Contador, not Nibali.