Vingegaard vs Pogačar - The Duel

[RedheadDane]

So, TV2 did that anual thing they do where they make an interview with Bjerg where he "reveals" that he doesn't support Vingegaard - like, duh! - and someone in the comment section (on FB) claimed that he should "find another country"...

 

[QueenStagiaire]

So, TV2 did that anual thing they do where they make an interview with Bjerg where he "reveals" that he doesn't support Vingegaard - like, duh! - and someone in the comment section (on FB) claimed that he should "find another country"...

He should ask Mads Pedersen for help with that.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

So, TV2 did that anual thing they do where they make an interview with Bjerg where he "reveals" that he doesn't support Vingegaard - like, duh! - and someone in the comment section (on FB) claimed that he should "find another country"...

Doesn't that person know that it's only you who can revoke citizenships due to cycling related offences?

 

[Bolder]

That may have been the fastest ascent of MV (not surprising given it was a unipuerto and Visma were trying to force the pace from the bottom) but wow those guys were impressive. At one point they were doing 31 kph on like a 7% section. When I climb anything like that I'm at like 6.5 kph in my 34 cog. I can't even outride the flies.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The strongest duo again. If no disaster happens then it's top2 at the Tour for the fifth consecutive year. Legendary stuff. Coppi & Bartali had four top2 (in all GTs in total). And it doesnt look like its closing to the end.

 

[Red Rick]

Their 1-2s in stages are racking up absurd numbers too. Don't know what I expect if both race the Vuelta. May be more competitive, may be crap. But the Vuelta route is super meh so I don't know how Visma is gonna torch that race for 3 weeks.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

When and who will end their Tdf domination? I see no realistic candidate over the next 1-2 years. Maybe Lipowitz if he makes another big step (his trajectory is still kinda unknown). Rogla and Remco arent likely options in the near future.

3-4 years from now its way more likely but hard to predict who (new riders hitting prime, probable decline of the mutants)

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

When and who will end their Tdf domination? I see no realistic candidate over the next 1-2 years. Maybe Lipowitz if he makes another big step (his trajectory is still kinda unknown). Rogla and Remco arent likely options in the near future.

3-4 years from now its way more likely but hard to predict who (new riders hitting prime, probable decline of the mutants)

Seixas or Ayuso(if he goes to another team)?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Seixas or Ayuso(if he goes to another team)?

Maybe but in 3 years at the earliest.

 

[Lorzenz08]

When and who will end their Tdf domination? I see no realistic candidate over the next 1-2 years. Maybe Lipowitz if he makes another big step (his trajectory is still kinda unknown). Rogla and Remco arent likely options in the near future.

3-4 years from now its way more likely but hard to predict who (new riders hitting prime, probable decline of the mutants)

Yes I think Pogi will be dominating until 2028

 

[Bombarolo]

Hopefully another epic showdown tomorrow

 

[Red Rick]

I think tomorrow is like most of their showdowns. Highly anticipated, but ultimately a letdown.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think tomorrow is like most of their showdowns. Highly anticipated, but ultimately a letdown.

Mt Ventoux was good even though there were no gaps

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think tomorrow is like most of their showdowns. Highly anticipated, but ultimately a letdown.

If their rivalry is mostly a letdown, I don't know what keeps you happy in cycling.
This is by far the most exciting rivalry in a long long time

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If their rivalry is mostly a letdown, I don't know what keeps you happy in cycling.
This is by far the most exciting rivalry in a long long time

Its well known that too red Rick is a masochist.

 

[Panda Claws]

I prefer the Froome-Quintana rivalry. At least in that one there was sometimes a vague hope that enough time could still be clawed back.
The current time gap is comical.

 

[Berniece]

If their rivalry is mostly a letdown, I don't know what keeps you happy in cycling.
This is by far the most exciting rivalry in a long long time

There's also MVDP and Pogacar in MSR and cobbled classics

 

[Red Rick]

Its well known that too red Rick is a masochist.

Was it the pro Grigor Dimitrov posts in the tennis thread that gave it away?

 

[Red Rick]

If their rivalry is mostly a letdown, I don't know what keeps you happy in cycling.
This is by far the most exciting rivalry in a long long time

I'm a fan of cycling. And some specific cylists. And I can think Vingegaard vs Pogacar usually doesn't deliver and is stale at this point.

Vingo vs Pog is like Champions League finals. The semi's are always better.

 

[Salvarani]

I'm a fan of cycling. And some specific cylists. And I can think Vingegaard vs Pogacar usually doesn't deliver and is stale at this point.

Vingo vs Pog is like Champions League finals. The semi's are always better.

Most "finals" are usually like that, at least in football. Usually tight and stale games. Few goal-scoring opportunities. First blow/score is important. The other has to start to chase the game and subsequently risks to expose themselves, which opens up for the other to keep countering or just defend to finish off the game.

 

[MagliaNera]

I prefer the Froome-Quintana rivalry. At least in that one there was sometimes a vague hope that enough time could still be clawed back.
The current time gap is comical.

I think it comes down to the current version of Pogacar basically not having any weaknesses. He's outstanding in TTs, in hilly terrain and (very consistently) in the high mountains and almost never misses a split in crosswinds. Usually you expect some tension if there's a better climber vs someone who is better in TTs and crosswinds, or if two riders have quite variable climbing performances in the mountains, but we don't get to see this type of action with Vinge vs Pog.

In 2022/23, hot and/or high-energy expenditure mountain stages looked like Pog's decisive weakness, but 2023 once again didn't deliver because Vingegaard took so much time in that crazy TT that the Tour was essentially over. This leaves 2022 as the one-off Tour when the rivalry was truly exciting, also because Visma played its cards perfectly with Roglic as co-leader and peak WVA - and we hadn't really seen Vingegaard's full potential yet.

 

[dobrien]

I think it comes down to the current version of Pogacar basically not having any weaknesses. He's outstanding in TTs, in hilly terrain and (very consistently) in the high mountains and almost never misses a split in crosswinds. Usually you expect some tension if there's a better climber vs someone who is better in TTs and crosswinds, or if two riders have quite variable climbing performances in the mountains, but we don't get to see this type of action with Vinge vs Pog.

In 2022/23, hot and/or high-energy expenditure mountain stages looked like Pog's decisive weakness, but 2023 once again didn't deliver because Vingegaard took so much time in that crazy TT that the Tour was essentially over. This leaves 2022 as the one-off Tour when the rivalry was truly exciting, also because Visma played its cards perfectly with Roglic as co-leader and peak WVA - and we hadn't really seen Vingegaard's full potential yet.

This. The 'rivalry' has gotten a lot of mileage off that Tour, and survives on the hopes and dreams that we will see something like that again when in fact I believe the odds are against it.

 

[Bombarolo]

Unfortunately a disappointing stage today.

 

[Red Rick]

Unfortunately a disappointing stage today.

Another battle, another imitation of Murray-Djokovic.

 

[YavorD]

Another battle, another imitation of Murray-Djokovic.

I think this rivalry is like Grigor Dimitrov to you.
Always finds new ways to disappoint you.