Vino bought the 2010 LBL?

[cineteq]

As if they would manage to imprison Vino

Because he's a escape artist?

 

[trevim]

Because he's a escape artist?

Because his awesomeness wouldn't fit in the jail. It's just too big

 

[Red Rick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhhGJ3I4p9k

There's also this

 

[Luigi_Max]

it's not race fixing. both riders ride to win and the winner pays the loser. happens ALL THE TIME

If that is what happened then there is not really much wrong with it.
However if Kolobnev did not ride to win then there is something very wrong with it.

 

[cineteq]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhhGJ3I4p9k

There's also this

The more I see it, the more Uran's behavior was NOT normal.

 

[Red Rick]

The more I see it, the more Uran's behavior was NOT normal.

I can might be able to imagine selling my odds at an LBL victory, but an Olympic road race? Hell ****ing no

 

[Luigi_Max]

The more I see it, the more Uran's behavior was NOT normal.

It was a spectacularly bad piece of riding by Uran but without further evidence I think it should viewed as just that.

 

[Akuryo]

Uran looked over his left shoulder and in exactly that moment Vino overtook him on his right side. Had Uran looked over his other shoulder, that wouldn't have happened. Just stupid.

 

[Luigi_Max]

Uran looked over his left shoulder and in exactly that moment Vino overtook him on his right side. Had Uran looked over his other shoulder, that wouldn't have happened. Just stupid.

He looked over his left shoulder and kept looking over his left shoulder and kept looking over his left shoulder and then stopped looking over his left shoulder and looked straight ahead as if he was riding down the street without anything important happening and then looked right and saw Vino had a race winning lead.

 

[BeagRigh]

He looked over his left shoulder and kept looking over his left shoulder and kept looking over his left shoulder and then stopped looking over his left shoulder and looked straight ahead as if he was riding down the street without anything important happening and then looked right and saw Vino had a race winning lead.

Worth noting too that he's moving to the left whilst looking to the left, effectively forcing Vino to come round on his right, but then he doesn't look right or cover the move he's just encouraged.

Either it is one of the most spectacular tactical fails I've seen or something more shady....

 

[cineteq]

Either it is one of the most spectacular tactical fails I've seen or something more shady....

It couldn't have said any better.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

I can might be able to imagine selling my odds at an LBL victory, but an Olympic road race? Hell ****ing no

I don't know. I don't really think the Olympic road race is that prestigious. The Olympics have no history in cycling. To be honest, I think I'd rather win a LBL than an Olympic RR.

 

[Parker]

I don't know. I don't really think the Olympic road race is that prestigious. The Olympics have no history in cycling. To be honest, I think I'd rather win a LBL than an Olympic RR.

But you're looking at it for a purely cycling perspective. Only people who know about cycling knows what LBL is. But everybody knows what an Olympic gold medal is. Even if you think that LBL has more prestige within cycling (personally I don't), there is no comparison in prestige in the eyes of the wider world.

 

[Luigi_Max]

But you're looking at it for a purely cycling perspective. Only people who know about cycling knows what LBL is. But everybody knows what an Olympic gold medal is. Even if you think that LBL has more prestige within cycling (personally I don't), there is no comparison in prestige in the eyes of the wider world.

Why should we care what those who do not care about cycling think about the relative importance of LBL and the Olympic gold medal?

 

[Arnout]

I was watching Orla Chennaoui on Sky talking about this. They could get between 6 months-3 years, plus a fine between 600 euros-300,000 euros.

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/15264/9432996

That's just pathetic though. How is buying a race (or paying because you won, big difference) any new in cycling and more important, how is it corruption?

Sure its against the rules but it simply doesn't fit the label corruption.

 

[jens_attacks]

^^^because philbert didn't win. corruption i tell ya

 

[Tonton]

That ain't true .... not even close.... Recently with Gilbert its got a boost. I the walloon area people riding their bike for pleasure is rather rare and even rarer to go to the market or home /work. they got a lot less viewers( even relative) then cycling got in flanders on TV.

They have tradition .... but not 1/2 of flanders in terms of intensity or broad popularity. With Gilbert cycling is the second sport but before tennis with henin was more popular and autosport is also very popular but they dont have no real hero s anymore in that sport.

A Dutch and a Flemish making that statement: biased at best, cheap shot, insulting at worst. Worth nothing.

BTW, had Clijsters been as good as Justine, maybe ratings/popularity would have been better for tennis in Flanders

I don't think there's less cycling CULTURE in either part of Belgium. It goes without saying that when you get local champions, popularity increases. See ratings on French TV for this year's TdF, ratings in the US when LA was winning. Duh...

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

But you're looking at it for a purely cycling perspective. Only people who know about cycling knows what LBL is. But everybody knows what an Olympic gold medal is. Even if you think that LBL has more prestige within cycling (personally I don't), there is no comparison in prestige in the eyes of the wider world.

Well sure, I'm only looking at it from a cycling perspective, but I think most professional cyclists might be looking from a cycling perspective too.

For me it's Olympic RR < Monuments =/< WC RR

I feel the WC RR is a kind of primus inter pares though; I don't really feel that it's above the monuments. And different editions of the WC are very different in prestige. I mean:
Cavendish winning MSR >>>>> Cavendish winning a random boring race in Denmark

But more on-topic. Vino being processed for corruption is ridiculous. Also, sure Vino is a thug, but he's also a legend. In 20 years everybody will still be talking about Vino and this forum will still have a Vino option at every poll.

 

[Red Rick]

The Olympics are the only race where you represent your country, apart from the WC. Apart from the team sizes, they're a bit the same, except the Olympics are once every 4 years. I'd take an Olympic gold medal over a rainbow jersey any day.

 

[Red Rick]

But more on-topic. Vino being processed for corruption is ridiculous. Also, sure Vino is a thug, but he's also a legend. In 20 years everybody will still be talking about Vino and this forum will still have a Vino option at every poll.

The Vino option may get a different meaning in time

 

[The Hitch]

Well sure, I'm only looking at it from a cycling perspective, but I think most professional cyclists might be looking from a cycling perspective too.

For me it's Olympic RR < Monuments =/< WC RR

I feel the WC RR is a kind of primus inter pares though; I don't really feel that it's above the monuments. And different editions of the WC are very different in prestige. I mean:
Cavendish winning MSR >>>>> Cavendish winning a random boring race in Denmark

But more on-topic. Vino being processed for corruption is ridiculous. Also, sure Vino is a thug, but he's also a legend. In 20 years everybody will still be talking about Vino and this forum will still have a Vino option at every poll.

Uran got a bigger reception in Colombia for his silver than he would for winning 10 straight LBL's. A gold and he'd have a statue by now (just like the previous Olympic champion has in Oviedo. Who ever got a statue for LBL?)

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

I didn't know about the situation in Colombia. If it's like that, indeed Uran wouldn't be very likely to sell the Olympics.

But certainly from a cycling perspective - and maybe I'm biased with a Dutch/Belgian perspective -, I feel the monuments are more prestigious, than the Olympic RR. There are few cycling greats on the list of past winners of the Olympic RR. But of course, it's also growing. If you look at the list of winners of the Olympics, you get Ulrich, Bettini, Sanchez, Vino as the last four, which might as well have been the list of winners from some big classic. But when you go further back, you will see it lacks history, compared to the monuments.

Also, just looking at some past winners of the Olympic RR, I saw Hennie Kuijper as one of the few big names from way back. He's also won the WC RR and every monument except LBL. I'm sure he would have traded his Olympic RR for a LBL any day of the week.

 

[Netserk]

WCRR >>>>>> OGRR l

 

[MatParker117]

WCRR >>>>>> OGRR l

Cav would of been knighted had he pulled it off on The Mall about the only thing he didn't get for Copenhagen.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Cav would of been knighted had he pulled it off on The Mall about the only thing he didn't get for Copenhagen.

MSR >>>>>>>>>> WC in Copenhagen/OG RR

It doesn't get you knighted by a queen who probably doesn't care about cycling, but it should get you more respect from cycling fans.

But on-topic; indeed, I might have been thinking too much about purely cycling related prestige, but considering the reception Uran would have gotten in Colombia, it is indeed unlikely for him to sell it.