Voeckler doping?

[Escarabajo]

That would mean the ampethamins/pot belges had the same (separating) impact as the hi-tech doping since 1990 had. But that´s contrary of all Järmann, Winnen, Andreu etc. said about Epo.

The only one other explanation can be: Tactics were different; go all out, attack early, ride like there is no tomorrow. This seems plausible to me if i compare saturdays zig-zags to the racing of the 80´s (add in a little mix of smaller talent pools, longer stages). Maybe that´s it.

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You know what could be a good analogy non-doping related (?), the way the soccer matches are played now versus the 70's and 80's. Now there are so much at stake that the teams play too defensively versus teams back then. That could be the reason why they scored a lot more goals than now. The schemes encouraged the teams to play offensively and therefore to score more goals.

In the NFL they were going the same direction. The Superbowl is too big and teams were investing too much time and money in playing defense. Then they change the rules to favor the quarterbacks. Therefore we get more touchdowns and more offense.

Maybe cycling should do something else other than banning radios to get the spectacle back to attackers. With the Biopassport in place they could be falling in a trap.

Now we are borderline OT.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

LMAO....
That was racing like in the 80´s.

The Schrecks: kaputt (loosing 20 and over 60 seconds).
Now it was payback for not attacking.

But what the heck did Cav do up there????

New Thread should be: "No way Cav is clean"

 

[McKraken]

I just don't believe Frank and Andy have the minerals. Too unwilling to take a chance. Voekler has been good for his lead since he got the Jersey. He has rode well. I think evans will prevail in the end. This is a rubbish first post sorry

 

[McKraken]

Cav probably held onto a car witout anyone seeing.

 

[Parrulo]

I just don't believe Frank and Andy have the minerals. Too unwilling to take a chance. Voekler has been good for his lead since he got the Jersey. He has rode well. I think evans will prevail in the end. This is a rubbish first post sorry

you mean you don't think the schlecks are on the juice? lol

anyway i am starting to believe voeckler a bit more after today. he was still impressive but as soon as the race became aggressive he started struggling.

just goes to show how badly ridden the pyrenees were. . . .

 

[VeloGirl]

In German.. basically saying scientist are suspicious of Voekler. We have some German speakers in here, right?

"Über 410 Watt ist Doping"

http://www.neues-deutschland.de/artikel/202606.ueber-410-watt-ist-doping.html

 

[Jeanne]

In German.. basically saying scientist are suspicious of Voekler. We have some German speakers in here, right?

"Über 410 Watt ist Doping"

http://www.neues-deutschland.de/artikel/202606.ueber-410-watt-ist-doping.html

Thanx for posting that article, was interesting to read. I surely dunno enough about those calculations, but that sounds like there's NO way Voeckler is clean.

 

[hrotha]

He seems to be talking about a figure in absolute watts as the insurmountable frontier for clean racing. Now I'm no scientist, but that sounds like complete boll*cks to me. "On the climb to Luz Ardiden he [Voeckler] was in a group whose members were producing 417 W. According to calculations based on the maximum oxygen consumption capacity, we have calculated a threshold of 410 W above which we must talk about doping".

I mean, what the hell?

 

[sniper]

In German.. basically saying scientist are suspicious of Voekler. We have some German speakers in here, right?

"Über 410 Watt ist Doping"

http://www.neues-deutschland.de/artikel/202606.ueber-410-watt-ist-doping.html

very interesting piece indeed.

Contador selbst hat am Plateau de Beille 7,1 Prozent weniger Leistung gebracht. Aber Thomas Voeckler hat seine um 7,5 Prozent gesteigert.

Transl: Contador performed 7.1% worse than in previous years at the Plato de Beille, whereas Voeckler increased his performance with 7.5%.

Es wird nicht weniger gedopt. In den Pyrenäen wurde wahrscheinlich langsamer gefahren, weil einige Profis, die sonst 430 Watt treten, wie Alexander Winokurow, Jürgen Van Den Broeck und Andreas Klöden nicht mehr dabei sind.

(When askedif there is less doping this year):
There is not less doping. In the pyrenees they rode slower, probably because pros such as Vino, VDB and Klöden, who normally ride at 430Watt, weren't there.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

He seems to be talking about a figure in absolute watts as the insurmountable frontier for clean racing. Now I'm no scientist, but that sounds like complete boll*cks to me. "On the climb to Luz Ardiden he [Voeckler] was in a group whose members were producing 417 W.

This estimate does not agree with other estimates. It's considerably higher.

According to calculations based on the maximum oxygen consumption capacity, we have calculated a threshold of 410 W above which we must talk about doping".

Terribly unscientific to say the least.

There is not less doping. In the pyrenees they rode slower, probably because pros such as Vino, VDB and Klöden, who normally ride at 430Watt, weren't there.

Lol! Yeah, sure they do!

 

[sniper]

interview with the same bloke.
he used to be bassons' coach.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/sport/Cancellara_ist_eher_Darth_Vader_als_Spartakus_.html?cid=15351746

about how clear it is that cancellara is doped to the eyeballs.

 

[Der_Gestreifte]

This estimate does not agree with other estimates. It's considerably higher.

To be fair, this interview is quite worthless since it omits the fact that Vayer´s (not undisputed) method is based on a rider that is "normalised" to (I think) 70 kg + 8kg of gear.

 

[MacRoadie]

I think I'll wait for the Science of Sport guys to weigh in.

Way too many assumptions, speculations, and a healthy dose of Vayer.

 

[sniper]

Lovely praise of Voeckler by one of the funniest columnists out there, Blazin Saddles

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog/blazin-saddles/article/2440/

Keeping as cool as Thor Hushovd in a Mardi Gras parade, Voeckler turned around, pushed his bike up the slope and back onto the road, and continued on his way. He can thank his fellow Frenchman Hivert for leaving the gate open - for the Saur-Sojasun rider had again made the exact same mistake minutes earlier.

The elegance with which Voeckler dealt with these mishaps was worthy of an "oo, la la!". Two big scares and not a scratch. He even joined the road ahead of Ivan Basso - and lost only 27 seconds at the finish. "A lesser evil," said his Europcar team-manager Jean-Rene Bernaudeau - and that's about right.

Had it been Andy Schleck, he would have probably contrived to slam into the parking lot fence - merely to make a point and prove his scaremongering right.

Had it been the honest Cadel Evans, he probably would have stopped to pay the parking meter before going on his way.

Had it been Jan Ullrich, there would have no doubt been a farmers' market being held in the open space and the German would have felt compelled to stay for a bratwurst with fried onions.

 

[Cycle Chic]

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...s_.html%3Fcid%3D15351746&hl=en&sa=G&prmd=ivns

Link to English translation of the Cancellara article.

He refers to drivers - it should be riders. I was a bit confused after reading Willy Voets book as the drivers are also charging.

 

[Zoncolan]

Unbelievable ride today.

 

[Zoncolan]

No way he's that good.

 

[roundabout]

Todays stage says it all.

QED

 

[Apollonius]

Todays stage says it all.

QED

It sure does.

So obvious that it's an insult.

 

[danjo007]

how does this piece of SH!T outride the best climbers in the world???

 

[classicomano]

This makes me so ****ing sick.

 

[RdBiker]

Today is the day I officially lose my belief in French riders being clean.

 

[Zoncolan]

The power of the MJ

 

[D-Queued]

Today is the day I officially lose my belief in French riders being clean.

I was laughing my head off.

Who is that guy? What was in his Wheaties this morning?

He dropped Contadope?



Dave.

 

[Big Doopie]

how does this piece of SH!T outride the best climbers in the world???

this trype of comment always cracks me up.

how does anyone know who are the best climbers in the world? since they are (were?) doped?