Voeckler doping?

[BYOP88]

Are you under the impression that you don't suffer on dope?You still suffer, it just takes more effort to make it happen. You could have the greatest capacity for suffering on the planet, but that won't make up for lack of physical ability. Doping will.

Mancebo springs to mind.

 

[bigloco]

I guess they just use blood bags which don't contain plasticisers

http://www.lubrizol.com/Medical/Applications/MedicalBags.html




http://www.acereport.org/deception.html




http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/390510146/PP_Non_PVC_IV_Infusion_Bag.html

http://www.bbraunusa.com/images/bbraun_usa/IValert.pdf

WHAT???!??!??

there goes my theory!

I had hopes. Oh Tommy V, why hath you forsaken me?

 

[altermod]

Vockler unrealistic performance

I justed signed on the the forums today.

I don't keep up with all the specifics about cyclists who dope but Vocklers performance throughout this tour seems extremely suspect. Like someone else mentioned he has pulled a Rasmussen.

How does he ride so aggressively during the first week on the flat stages trying to get away from the peloton then climb into the yellow jersey and maintain it for so long? In the Pyrenees He was covering every single attack/acceleration all the while dancing on his pedals. Every other GC contender was heads down grinding it out and Vockler was at the front looking at everyone's face as if to say, "Hey guys aren't you going to go again?".

My BS meter just went off the charts seeing how fresh he looked/looks compared to everyone else. And they all let him get the yellow only because he was never expected to all of a sudden become a mtn climber.

I see his grimaces as a ploy for the cameras. When he jumps to cover an attack he looks so fresh!!! His domestique seemed to only be there for just in case he needed a bike change. It just doesn't seem very realistic. I guess France has their Lance Armstrong now. I wonder if the TDF is gonna let Vockler get away with it being that he is France's hero. After all he has increased viewership in France which means more $$$ for all involved at the TDF.

Yeah I'm jaded.

 

[Ramira]

Wrong forum, check the clinic.

Also if any rider is probably not doping it's Voeckler.

 

[Parrulo]

wrong forum

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/forumdisplay.php?f=20

go to the clinic if you want to discuss doping related stuff

 

[therhodeo]

Awesome first post.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Fail. In before this gets moved.

 

[Grayguard]

Yeah, this is for the Clinic.

 

[altermod]

Oops I meant to put this in the Clinic.... Sorry admins.

Can I move this myself?

 

[Ragerod]

If you had checked the clinic you would've seen this thread.

 

[therhodeo]

Oops I meant to put this in the Clinic.... Sorry admins.

They already have a thread. Don't think for a minute you beat those guys to the punch.

 

[altermod]

Awesome first post.

Hey Thanks. I thought so too.

 

[Grayguard]

Honestly guys... just from the title of this thread, it clearly belongs in the Clinic... Don't ruin all our fun please.

 

[Jeanne]

yeah, why is this thread no longer in the clinic?!

 

[No_Balls]

Wow! How did this come here?

Is it so obvious?

 

[Escarabajo]

The moderators must be more exhausted than the riders. They must be resting right now.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Good question. It's not always easy to move things around......

Susan

 

[Cobblestones]

Thread merge fail.

 

[MacRoadie]

The dichotomy in this thread is reaching epic proportions, even for the clinic.

In multiple threads here and in the Pro Cycling forum, we see repeated, measured, discussions on the lack of chasing by contenders, levels of indecision re: when to chase, lower and less than otherworldly VAM numbers, reduced wattage on climbs, slower times on climbs, etc.

Over here, all we get is Voeckler matching numerous attacks of Biblical proportions, responding to the greatest climbers in the world racing at their limits, beating the dopers who are juiced to the gills suggesting that he too is doped to the gills (or even further), and a host of other posts suggesting this is the hardest Tour since Maurice Garin was riding.

It's like there are two Tours this year: the one that everyone outside this thread is watching, and the one that is apparently being broadcast to a select few posting in here.

 

[Anonymous]

The thread itself is doped up, moving around mysteriously.

 

[thirteen]

The dichotomy in this thread is reaching epic proportions, even for the clinic.

In multiple threads here and in the Pro Cycling forum, we see repeated, measured, discussions on the lack of chasing by contenders, levels of indecision re: when to chase, lower and less than otherworldly VAM numbers, reduced wattage on climbs, slower times on climbs, etc.

Over here, all we get is Voeckler matching numerous attacks of Biblical proportions, responding to the greatest climbers in the world racing at their limits, beating the dopers who are juiced to the gills suggesting that he too is doped to the gills (or even further), and a host of other posts suggesting this is the hardest Tour since Maurice Garin was riding.

It's like there are two Tours this year: the one that everyone outside this thread is watching, and the one that is apparently being broadcast to a select few posting in here.

touché.

it has been pretty tame

 

[luckyboy]

The dichotomy in this thread is reaching epic proportions, even for the clinic.

In multiple threads here and in the Pro Cycling forum, we see repeated, measured, discussions on the lack of chasing by contenders, levels of indecision re: when to chase, lower and less than otherworldly VAM numbers, reduced wattage on climbs, slower times on climbs, etc.

Over here, all we get is Voeckler matching numerous attacks of Biblical proportions, responding to the greatest climbers in the world racing at their limits, beating the dopers who are juiced to the gills suggesting that he too is doped to the gills (or even further), and a host of other posts suggesting this is the hardest Tour since Maurice Garin was riding.

Obviously those things are all factors, but how have they only benefitted Voeckler and nobody else? Where are all the other cyclists who can now keep up with the slower times up the mountains, and are now taking advantage of the indecision of the big guys?

Come on, today we saw Contador and Sanchez dropping off the back of a lead group containing Voeckler while they were going up the Galibier. In the third week of a grand tour.

If Voeckler was less likeable, everybody would be screaming that he is a doper.

It's nice that people can still have faith, but the recent history of cycling is a pretty solid base to argue upon against a 32-year old puncheur mixing it up with the best GT riders of the last 5 years.

 

[python]

a stupid question - how did voeckler himself explain his surprising performance ?

i mean i did come across his own assessments about grit and luck but has he claimed changing anything in his basic training and preparation ?

such as - new altitude training routine, lower body weight, new coach etc.

i know a rider can use these claims as a smoke screen for doping but did voeckler use ANY smoke screen picked up by the media or bloggers?

 

[poupou]

He has just said that Schleck and Contador has given him one of their bottle!

 

[Jeanne]

a stupid question - how did voeckler himself explain his surprising performance ?

i mean i did come across his own assessments about grit and luck but has he claimed changing anything in his basic training and preparation ?

such as - new altitude training routine, lower body weight, new coach etc.

i know a rider can use these claims as a smoke screen for doping but did voeckler use ANY smoke screen picked up by the media or bloggers?

very interesting question! all I heard from him was that he thinks he can never win and that he will suc* in the mountains etc. No actual explanation from voeckler came across my eyes or ears.