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Volta a Catalunya, should Valverde bee racing or not?

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khardung la said:
IMHO it is very easy:

1-CONI should say why Valverde should be punished. For me this is unclear, how the heck they are linking OP with that test they did?

2-CONI should demonstrate that the evidences they have were not taken illegally and that the elemental rights of the cyclist were respected.

That should be enough for a well-deserved international ban.

If 1 and 2 are not met, then the decission belongs to the Spanish judge. He may be slow, but surely he is not biased towards supporting Valverde or covering a doping mafia. The guy wants to keep the rights of the accused, and there was not a doping law in the moment of OP in Spain. It is complex. More important judicial causes are more delayed in Spain. Ashaming but true.

Surely the Spanish Federation is quite a disgrace and should be more diligent in chasing the cheaters. But I would not blame Valverde for competing. I would do the same, what else?

PD: I am Spanish, but I tend to believe that my post would not change if I would be from another country. :eek:

You're just an apologist for Spanish dopers. Valverde should be punished because his DNA matched that in the blood bags found in Fuentes "clinic". He's a doper, case closed. Who cares how the evidence was obtained? At least CONI obtained and used evidence which has been available to the Spanish authorities but they did NOTHING! Are you saying that Valverde wasn't doping or that he did but it wasn't illegal at the time in Spain?
 
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khardung la said:
IMHO it is very easy:

1-CONI should say why Valverde should be punished. For me this is unclear, how the heck they are linking OP with that test they did?

2-CONI should demonstrate that the evidences they have were not taken illegally and that the elemental rights of the cyclist were respected.

That should be enough for a well-deserved international ban.
I am positive that both 1 and 2 have already been done - and soon published too.
 
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biker jk said:
You're just an apologist for Spanish dopers. Valverde should be punished because his DNA matched that in the blood bags found in Fuentes "clinic".

No, I am not an apologist for Spanish dopers, or for any other dopers of any other country. If his DNA matched and there is no doubt about that, then he should be banned, as it was written in my previous post.

However if those proofs were taken irregularly it can very well be that they are false, mistaken or who knows what. Legalisms have a reason of being. If someone matches my DNA with the one in a crime scene in Australia, I would like to know how they got the proof and to have the analysis checked by an independent source. Basically because I have never been in Australia :).

I do believe Valverde is a cheater and he does not have my respect. But it is CONI and not Valverde who has to demonstrate that they have a case. Up to now for me there are many obscure aspects in CONI´s actions. It seems that I am not the only one who thinks that, because UCI, ASO and the Spanish federation are not prosecuting him (yet).

Meanwhile I fully understand that Valverde is in his right to keep racing, and I would do the same. That was the original topic of this thread, I think.
 
khardung la said:
No, I am not an apologist for Spanish dopers, or for any other dopers of any other country. If his DNA matched and there is no doubt about that, then he should be banned, as it was written in my previous post.

However if those proofs were taken irregularly it can very well be that they are false, mistaken or who knows what. Legalisms have a reason of being. If someone matches my DNA with the one in a crime scene in Australia, I would like to know how they got the proof and to have the analysis checked by an independent source. Basically because I have never been in Australia :).

I do believe Valverde is a cheater and he does not have my respect. But it is CONI and not Valverde who has to demonstrate that they have a case. Up to now for me there are many obscure aspects in CONI´s actions. It seems that I am not the only one who thinks that, because UCI, ASO and the Spanish federation are not prosecuting him (yet).

Meanwhile I fully understand that Valverde is in his right to keep racing, and I would do the same. That was the original topic of this thread, I think.
ASO will prosecute him by not inviting him to the Tour.

UCI will prosecute him eventually. But who cares what they do anyway, they are so corrupt.