Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana (2.1) February 3-7

[LaFlorecita]

My arguments are as valid as any of yours :-(

SKY have far more better climbers that Tinkov ...who have Contador & Majka but
Kreusiger is good but hasn't been recently
Mike Rogers heart is not good
Trofimov is good but who else...They have alot of older riders

Why did they not purchase Poels, Konig, Nieve , Inxtausti , etc
Because they wouldn't go to a team by Tinkov imo

All these innuendos are cheap attacks on success and noting but sour grapes

Now I'm confused, I thought you just posted it is a budget issue but now you say the riders just don't want to join other teams?

 

[MatParker117]

Other teams with similar budgets have spent poorly, for the money Tinkoff spent on Sagan they could of got three or four excellent climbing domestiques for Contador.

There aren't even that many "excellent climbing domestiques" on the market. Sky's key to success is transforming "climbing domestiques" into "world class climbers" how they manage that we do not know

They also spend money on coaches, sport scientists, support staff which many teams only pay lip service and the one's that do, don't do it as well.

Aha, as Saint David Walsh said, the other teams are basically amateurs. That explains it.

Cycling is very traditionalist when it comes to training methods, for example JV threw direct energie under the bus as Rolland was apparently training like a rider "from the 1970s".

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Sad that Diego dropped so far down the rankings.
This Sky domination is pretty boring, hopefully the other teams catch up before 2026.

With Purito going to win Liege and Rio, Contador the Tour and Chaves the Vuelta, who cares about Team Sky winning the Tour of Valencia?

Hey,that's not funny http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-makes-rio-olympic-games-number-one-target-in-2016/

The last thing Spain needs is more infighting. Minguez should not select any Movistar riders besides Valverde else he risks creating a team inside a team. He should also appoint clear roles which I would suggest to be Valverde for a sprint, Purito for a last lap attack and Contador for a way earlier attack. Then he needs to domestiques so why not select Luisle and Samu. Then he'd have two clear TTers too. But Valverde has Minguez eating out of his palm so I would not be surprised if he selects Ion and Castroviejo instead. Maybe even Gorka too or Beñat (also a clear connection with Movistar).

 

[LaFlorecita]

Other teams with similar budgets have spent poorly, for the money Tinkoff spent on Sagan they could of got three or four excellent climbing domestiques for Contador.

There aren't even that many "excellent climbing domestiques" on the market. Sky's key to success is transforming "climbing domestiques" into "world class climbers" how they manage that we do not know

They also spend money on coaches, sport scientists, support staff which many teams only pay lip service and the one's that do, don't do it as well.

Aha, as Saint David Walsh said, the other teams are basically amateurs. That explains it.

Cycling is very traditionalist when it comes to training methods, for example JV threw direct energie under the bus as Rolland was apparently training like a rider "from the 1970s".

But that's a French Pro Conti team, not a top 5 WT team.

 

[HelloDolly]

My arguments are as valid as any of yours :-(

SKY have far more better climbers that Tinkov ...who have Contador & Majka but
Kreusiger is good but hasn't been recently
Mike Rogers heart is not good
Trofimov is good but who else...They have alot of older riders

Why did they not purchase Poels, Konig, Nieve , Inxtausti , etc
Because they wouldn't go to a team by Tinkov imo

All these innuendos are cheap attacks on success and noting but sour grapes

Now I'm confused, I thought you just posted it is a budget issue but now you say the riders just don't want to join other teams?

Could it not be a combination of issues...nothing in life and sport is simple or will you only accept a simple answer
SKY have a big budget and spend it well ...They also seem to bring the best out of some riders but not all
Its more like the spend well and train well

What is so annoying is that SKY come out at beginning of the year and win ...and then the same people on here bring up the same old lame excuses and jealous bile

If SKY are so 'corrupt' then what about all the riders who left SKY and those top riders joining ...they must be all in on it

Nothing but pathetic jealousy

 

[ice&fire]

I don't get all the discussion about Sky this or Sky that just because Poels won today. After all, Poels finished ahead of the Sky duo in Angliru 2011.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Could it not be a combination of issues...nothing in life and sport is simple or will you only accept a simple answer
SKY have a big budget and spend it well ...They also seem to bring the best out of some riders but not all
Its more like the spend well and train well

What is so annoying is that SKY come out at beginning of the year and win ...and then the same people on here bring up the same old lame excuses and jealous bile

If SKY are so 'corrupt' then what about all the riders who left SKY and those top riders joining ...they must be all in on it

Nothing but pathetic jealousy

Not jealousy just general annoyance that they are ruining what would otherwise be incredibly enjoyable races. No one likes dominance except fanboys of the dominant team or athlete. That goes for any sport.
But I understand it's easy to put it down to jealousy instead of addressing the real issue.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Poels succesfully owning the *** out of overpowered Astana. Wtf.

Must be early season

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Re:

It's only februari guys.

Poels will fail in the biggest races. Like every year.

Not really (tirreno and pais vasco stage wins). He will do well in big races too, but not for a GC, too inconsistent for that

 

[Singer01]

Could it not be a combination of issues...nothing in life and sport is simple or will you only accept a simple answer
SKY have a big budget and spend it well ...They also seem to bring the best out of some riders but not all
Its more like the spend well and train well

What is so annoying is that SKY come out at beginning of the year and win ...and then the same people on here bring up the same old lame excuses and jealous bile

If SKY are so 'corrupt' then what about all the riders who left SKY and those top riders joining ...they must be all in on it

Nothing but pathetic jealousy

Not jealousy just general annoyance that they are ruining what would otherwise be incredibly enjoyable races. No one likes dominance except fanboys of the dominant team or athlete. That goes for any sport.
But I understand it's easy to put it down to jealousy instead of addressing the real issue.

if they start winning multiple grand tours, and classics then they may have ruined it. however they do seem to have a freakish success rate at 1 week stage races.
is it just me or is poels riding what appears to be a childs bike?

 

[HelloDolly]

Could it not be a combination of issues...nothing in life and sport is simple or will you only accept a simple answer
SKY have a big budget and spend it well ...They also seem to bring the best out of some riders but not all
Its more like the spend well and train well

What is so annoying is that SKY come out at beginning of the year and win ...and then the same people on here bring up the same old lame excuses and jealous bile

If SKY are so 'corrupt' then what about all the riders who left SKY and those top riders joining ...they must be all in on it

Nothing but pathetic jealousy

Not jealousy just general annoyance that they are ruining what would otherwise be incredibly enjoyable races. No one likes dominance except fanboys of the dominant team or athlete. That goes for any sport.
But I understand it's easy to put it down to jealousy instead of addressing the real issue.

Well what is the real issue ...SKY have a very good team and are successful and peoplel on her don't like it so they make every kind of innuendo

Sky have not made the race boring....they just had the best rider on the day ...that is all
Astana ride th train as well and have done so in Grand Tours

I tell you what the issue is ....a very good rider in top form (which I think is a bit early) won today and rather than say well done Wout Poels there is every other red herring raised

If people don't like one team having most of the best riders then that is another thing. It a problem in the premiership at times...but money talks

SKY started last year as if invincible but that was not the case (except for the Tour) for most of the year from April onwards

 

[gooner]

I didn't find anything boring about today's win or Sky's riding style.

I thought there was great action on display.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yes, hopefully they won't continue like this else the season will be boring (winning 2 out of every 3 stage races)

 

[gooner]

Could it not be a combination of issues...nothing in life and sport is simple or will you only accept a simple answer
SKY have a big budget and spend it well ...They also seem to bring the best out of some riders but not all
Its more like the spend well and train well

What is so annoying is that SKY come out at beginning of the year and win ...and then the same people on here bring up the same old lame excuses and jealous bile

If SKY are so 'corrupt' then what about all the riders who left SKY and those top riders joining ...they must be all in on it

Nothing but pathetic jealousy

Not jealousy just general annoyance that they are ruining what would otherwise be incredibly enjoyable races. No one likes dominance except fanboys of the dominant team or athlete. That goes for any sport.
But I understand it's easy to put it down to jealousy instead of addressing the real issue.

Unless it's Alberto.

The hurt is strong on this one. And another year of hysterical nonsense starts.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

I didn't find anything boring about today's win or Sky's riding style.

I thought there was great action on display.

I think you missed a very important sentence in my post.

 

[TMP402]

Could it not be a combination of issues...nothing in life and sport is simple or will you only accept a simple answer
SKY have a big budget and spend it well ...They also seem to bring the best out of some riders but not all
Its more like the spend well and train well

What is so annoying is that SKY come out at beginning of the year and win ...and then the same people on here bring up the same old lame excuses and jealous bile

If SKY are so 'corrupt' then what about all the riders who left SKY and those top riders joining ...they must be all in on it

Nothing but pathetic jealousy

Not jealousy just general annoyance that they are ruining what would otherwise be incredibly enjoyable races. No one likes dominance except fanboys of the dominant team or athlete. That goes for any sport.
But I understand it's easy to put it down to jealousy instead of addressing the real issue.

If Poels didn't exist, today would probably have been an Astana 1-2 of Rosa and Aru. That's Aru who won the most recent GT. So Sky are simply more successful at executing a gameplan followed by another team. That's probably why you are accused of focusing on Sky.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Could it not be a combination of issues...nothing in life and sport is simple or will you only accept a simple answer
SKY have a big budget and spend it well ...They also seem to bring the best out of some riders but not all
Its more like the spend well and train well

What is so annoying is that SKY come out at beginning of the year and win ...and then the same people on here bring up the same old lame excuses and jealous bile

If SKY are so 'corrupt' then what about all the riders who left SKY and those top riders joining ...they must be all in on it

Nothing but pathetic jealousy

Not jealousy just general annoyance that they are ruining what would otherwise be incredibly enjoyable races. No one likes dominance except fanboys of the dominant team or athlete. That goes for any sport.
But I understand it's easy to put it down to jealousy instead of addressing the real issue.

Unless it's Alberto.

The hurt is strong on this one. And another year of hysterical nonsense starts.

I'm sure this is just an innocent misunderstanding but didn't I just explain why I would not mind dominance from him with that very sentence?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Could it not be a combination of issues...nothing in life and sport is simple or will you only accept a simple answer
SKY have a big budget and spend it well ...They also seem to bring the best out of some riders but not all
Its more like the spend well and train well

What is so annoying is that SKY come out at beginning of the year and win ...and then the same people on here bring up the same old lame excuses and jealous bile

If SKY are so 'corrupt' then what about all the riders who left SKY and those top riders joining ...they must be all in on it

Nothing but pathetic jealousy

Not jealousy just general annoyance that they are ruining what would otherwise be incredibly enjoyable races. No one likes dominance except fanboys of the dominant team or athlete. That goes for any sport.
But I understand it's easy to put it down to jealousy instead of addressing the real issue.

If Poels didn't exist, today would probably have been an Astana 1-2 of Rosa and Aru. That's Aru who won the most recent GT. So Sky are simply more successful at executing a gameplan followed by another team. That's probably why you are accused of focusing on Sky.

But he does exist and he rides for Sky. You can't just ignore that. "If Sky weren't in the race they wouldn't be winning" yes exactly.

 

[Arredondo]

Re: Re:

It's only februari guys.

Poels will fail in the biggest races. Like every year.

Not really (tirreno and pais vasco stage wins). He will do well in big races too, but not for a GC, too inconsistent for that

I'm talking about the Ardennes classics and Rio.

Not about possible stage wins in the bigger stage races. That's not BIG imo.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I think a GT stage win (fe) is big. But whatever. Personal preferences

 

[rick james]

Could it not be a combination of issues...nothing in life and sport is simple or will you only accept a simple answer
SKY have a big budget and spend it well ...They also seem to bring the best out of some riders but not all
Its more like the spend well and train well

What is so annoying is that SKY come out at beginning of the year and win ...and then the same people on here bring up the same old lame excuses and jealous bile

If SKY are so 'corrupt' then what about all the riders who left SKY and those top riders joining ...they must be all in on it

Nothing but pathetic jealousy

Not jealousy just general annoyance that they are ruining what would otherwise be incredibly enjoyable races. No one likes dominance except fanboys of the dominant team or athlete. That goes for any sport.
But I understand it's easy to put it down to jealousy instead of addressing the real issue.

Would you be saying that if it was Contador doing what Poels done in this race?

 

[HelloDolly]

I think whoever said SKY win stage races alot hit the nail on the head
They buy alot of stage race talent...Look at the potential stage race winners they have ..Froome, Thomas, Landa , Poles, Inxtausi, Kwaitoski, Kennaugh,Henao, etc...I could add more

But one day races and (non Tour) GTs not so much except with the purchase of Landa & Kwaitoski this year they probably plan to rectify this
I don't think there is any team with as strong a line up of talent at stage racing than SKY..its as simple as that

I personally would prefer if more teams had a share of the talent and more races had more than one or two potential winners but that is just the way it is ..to imply anything else is just wrong

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Can't see Landa winning too many classics. Kwia however, well thats another story.

 

[HelloDolly]

Re:

Can't see Landa winning too many classics. Kwia however, well thats another story.

Landa for non Tour GT .. as I said

 

[May0maniac]

Those short, super steep climbs don't suit Aru to well, if he's already in that kind of shape at the start of the season he could have a great season.
Before the start of the race his weight was 62.5kg, that's about 2kg over his Vuelta weight, so he probably had a great winter without too many distractions.