5 jumbos in the top 20ish is scary
It looks even scarier when it's framed as "5 jumbos in the top 16"
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5 jumbos in the top 20ish is scary
Valverde has never been as uncompetitive as Froome is now. Not comparable at all. I'd say they took him out of respect.Same reason Movistar take Valverde, sentimentality.
We really out here comparing Chris Froome to Don Alejandro? Theres a world off difference between those two riders atm despite Valverde being 40 or whatever he is.Same reason Movistar take Valverde, sentimentality.
I still can't believe teams don't just do the math on changing bikes for things like these.Still worth changing bikes?
There is a big difference now TBH.Same reason Movistar take Valverde, sentimentality.
We really out here comparing Chris Froome to Don Alejandro? Theres a world off difference between those two riders atm despite Valverde being 40 or whatever he is.
Indeed who could forget the Legendary Alberto!That was a moment of lapsed judgement on my part... My bad!!! How could I forget Contador
I'm not trying to compare them. I'm just saying that just because you did well in Gt's in the past, doesn't justify you a place on the team when your form is currently ***. Albeit, Froome has good reason to be out of form.
I think there are only two proper flat stages: 4 and 18.Usually yes but this year there are a lot of flat stages.
What about stage 9? It has no categorised climbs, for starters.I think there are only two proper flat stages: 4 and 18.
The original route had 2 flat stages in Netherlands that are cancelled and also had 2 flat stages in Portugal which are replaced by transitional/hilly stages ( stage 15 may still be a sprint - it can also go to the break - but stage 16 should go to the break )Usually yes but this year there are a lot of flat stages.
Could be, but its the typical up and down terrain. Very hard. A terrain for a breakway.What about stage 9? It has no categorised climbs, for starters.
Froome prediction proved to be right, next chapter: failed physical at ISABagioli vs Gaudu vs Rogla. Froome to lose 10 min, his pants and contract with ISA in the process.
I didn't watch the stage -- have to get some work done this fall -- but my initial thought was why would Roglic go for red so early? Let someone else take the jersey for a while etc. Right now he's just consigned Dumoulin to domestique duty. Maybe that's where TD is at this year but already we've got a situation similar to the TdF, where Roglic might be just taking 6 seconds here and 4 seconds there but not delivering a knockout blow.
Indeed who could forget the Legendary Alberto!
Perceived strength + pedigree + team + route suitability, IMO, indicate Carapaz is a big favorite along with Roglic
I love the Mas love, but nothing he has done indicates to me that he will take on Roglic and Carapaz. For all the talk of him as the new Contador, he never attacks, just holds wheels. Roglic and Carapaz are proven attackers. Sure, Roglic hasn't attacked from far (lately), but both he and Carapaz have taken wins with big attacks in GTs. Mas, just floats along.
According to him, he hit top shape in April in lockdown. After he wasn't feeling like that again during the summer/Tour but the good feeling came back right before the Vuelta. I think a Top 10 is feasible, though wouldn't be surprised to see him have an off day on a longer climb. He does have Schelling as support who looked good today and was there until Arrate started which is all you can ask for from a Neo like him.I actually always thought that both, Mühlberger and Großschartner, are capable of doing the same GC wise as Konrad (i.e. top 10 in the Giro or Vuelta) but this today still was a surprise. Wasn't going that well at the Tour (but maybe thats not even bad in hindsight).
Carapaz was pulled out from the midst of his training for Giro and was riding in support of Bernal... Once Bernal abandoned, he was there just to train and save energy for Vuelta... No need to burn his form for no reason... Given how collected he rode at the Tour I think it was clear that his focus would be Vuelta after they took the defense of Giro away from him...Carapaz rode a great Giro last year, but he didn’t get up the road at the TDF until he was out of contention. So I don’t see how Carapaz has shown that much more than Mas up until this point.
Would love for them to keep Kuss up in GC just to see what happens. ITT isn't so significant that he couldn't still be in contention for podium if he has the form
Carapaz was pulled out from the midst of his training for Giro and was riding in support of Bernal... Once Bernal abandoned, he was there just to train and save energy for Vuelta... No need to burn his form for no reason... Given how collected he rode at the Tour I think it was clear that his focus would be Vuelta after they took the defense of Giro away from him...
Yeah, and JV is so ridiculous, that Dumo is their 4th best guy here.To be fair, Mas is more of a diesel than a punchy climber like Carapaz. Just because of the TDF (in regards to attacking- which I counted 1 time). He attacked and worked quite a bit in the 2018 Vuelta, and won the queen stage. He pulled just as much as Miguel Angel Lopez that day. Granted, he only went off the front one time in the TDF, but the whole team was kind of hanging on for dear life and it wasn’t Mas’s job to go in the breakaway every day like Verona and Soler.
Today, like in the TDF, the only thing launching an attack would’ve done was put him in the red like Carthy. At one point Jumbo had 3 guys in the lead group, including the guy who shut down almost every Pogacar attack at the TDF.
Carapaz rode a great Giro last year, but he didn’t get up the road at the TDF until he was out of contention. So I don’t see how Carapaz has shown that much more than Mas up until this point. Both have 2 Top 5 GT finishes at this point, while Mas is a few years younger. Neither of whom compare favorably with Roglic on paper. Carapaz gets a bonus over Mas for his GT win, but there’s not that much difference in their palmares, and Carapaz has a head start.
He'll lose time in TT but he can Hindley himself in the top-3 for sureI think that Kuss could easily get a podium if not riding for Roglic this year... He still might with a bit of luck...