RVPRVP said:Nibali will probably do Giro for a few years now aswell so thats not an option
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Dekker T doesnt take too well to people saying Nibali is better than Gesink
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RVPRVP said:Nibali will probably do Giro for a few years now aswell so thats not an option
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He's definitely more suited to the Giro than Gesink, that's for sure. Plus the Giro doesn't seem to interest Gesink, at all.The Hitch said:Dekker T doesnt take too well to people saying Nibali is better than Gesink
You always fail at making a point by not providing proof. I never called anybody an idiot, I think you must have confused me with Ryo. Wiggins is NOT my cup of tea, and part of it has to do with your own signature.The Hitch said:Umm no rvp is right to call out cineteq. The guy went hard after anyone who said wiggins would win the tour, calling them absolute idiots.
Originally Posted by pre 2009 wiggins
If there's a 1% suspicion or doubt that a team is working with certain doctors, then they shouldn't be invited to the Tour de France - as simple as that.
Hopefully in 2 years time I might win the Time Trial and be a credible Time Trial winner because I haven't beated someone by 2 minutes.
Thank you, I appreciate it. You're a true gentleman. Now I suggest you check all references to your comment.Mellow Velo said:It's just that cineteq has a chip on both shoulders and the top of his head, with 3 little letters that start with "S" and end with "y".
RVPRVP said:Dont hate Dekker but he has been awful on every climb really and gets beat by Valverde and Purito in an ITT ,i cant see him winning a GT not when Froome is 27 and Contador 29 and Nibali will probably do Giro for a few years now aswell so thats not an option and Gesink will never get a podium in TDF.I do think on top form he could podium a GT but i cant see it ,youve also got Schleck if he sorts his headout.
I think Gesink will be like VDB and Kreuziger,a few top 5 GC results which by the way is not bad atall,i just cant see him taking that next stop.
No one can say he's on bad form either he was brilliant in the olympics.
Eshnar said:1 hour? let's say 10 minutes. As I said plenty of times, what's the difference in having Cavendish (or Sagan) bossing a flat sprint or JRod (or Piti) bossing an uphill one? You see the (Sky) train rolling, then @ 1 to go you expect someone may try to anticipate, then at 200m to go the sprint starts and it's over.
But a lot of guys in the flat case say "omg how boring this is" and in the uphill say "omg how awesome this is"... I. Don't. Get. It.
As for the breakaway stages yes, I find them boring too. But it's not enough to call this amazing...
Descender said:This Vuelta is designed to be the ultimate insult to cycling.
And I'm not even exaggerating. But more on this when it's over.
hrotha said:It will fail even at being the ultimate insult to cycling, despite being so cleverly designed to do just that. The Giro has it beat.
luckyboy said:I think I'm missing something with the 'insult to cycling' stuff?
Dekker_Tifosi said:With the difference that Gesink broke his leg last year and it takes a full year according to docters to regain muscle volume in his right leg.
So in fact you can't compare him with other riders who stagnated until next year.
Next year well see. If he doesn't book any progress uphill next year. I'm willing to admit he'll stay at his current level. But it's too early to tell.
Don't forget Rodriguez was a sub-topper for years and years before he reached his current level at +30. Froome was nowhere until last year. Etc etc.
Kreuziger could also still make a jump as he is 26, just as Gesink.
You should not be too quick to write off riders who hang a little.
luckyboy said:I think I'm missing something with the 'insult to cycling' stuff?
RVPRVP said:True i get what you're saying his injury was terrible and im not writing him off, i think he can get top 5's.and when you say Froome was nowhere until last year that is true but you cant compare them because Gesinks's level as never been anywere near what Froome as done.
And when you say about his recovery from injury you know aswell as i know he has recoverd by now he looked pretty good in amgen no?
I just dont rate his chance's,their is too many better rider's i think you'd agree this is a fair statement. It's the same with Mollema he did a great vuelta last year and every stage has suited him well and he is not delivering.
Dekker_Tifosi said:Until Vuelta last year. Froome was never anywhere near Gesinks level. He's best result wasn't even CLOSE to what Gesink had done.
So how can you be so sure and definite?
Ofcourse it's not the obvious things. But stranger things have happened, like with fRoome himself... Froome was a nobody before the Vuelta last year
Carols said:Me also...I enjoyed the Giro especially Rabottini's epic ride. The Tour was ok; just barely.
But 4 GC guys going at it every non-sprint stage sure is a lot more exciting to watch, at least for me!!!
Carols said:.
But 4 GC guys going at it every non-sprint stage sure is a lot more exciting to watch, at least for me!!!
RVPRVP said:And also the more GC rider's the better id love to see him win a GT,its my fav part of this great sport of ours i love GT rider's my fav rider is the king diesel Ivan Basso.Im just saying what i see i hope he prove's me wrong,theirs no shame in getting top 5 GC results whatsoever.
Eshnar said:1 hour? let's say 10 minutes. As I said plenty of times, what's the difference in having Cavendish (or Sagan) bossing a flat sprint or JRod (or Piti) bossing an uphill one? You see the (Sky) train rolling, then @ 1 to go you expect someone may try to anticipate, then at 200m to go the sprint starts and it's over.
But a lot of guys in the flat case say "omg how boring this is" and in the uphill say "omg how awesome this is"... I. Don't. Get. It.
As for the breakaway stages yes, I find them boring too. But it's not enough to call this amazing...
Froome19 said:There is if you know you can do better than that.
Carols said:Me also...I enjoyed the Giro especially Rabottini's epic ride. The Tour was ok; just barely.
But 4 GC guys going at it every non-sprint stage sure is a lot more exciting to watch, at least for me!!!
Dekker_Tifosi said:Until Vuelta last year. Froome was never anywhere near Gesinks level. He's best result wasn't even CLOSE to what Gesink had done.
So how can you be so sure and definite?
Ofcourse it's not the obvious things. But stranger things have happened, like with fRoome himself... Froome was a nobody before the Vuelta last year