Vuelta 2017, Stage 1: Nîmes - Nîmes 13,7 km (TTT)

[DFA123]

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When was the last gt Contador enjoyed any lead in the first week??
not that i was counting on this one....

Giro 2015

This was a bad performance by the team but at least he didn't go down

Yes!! lets see the glaas half full.. he looked good

Yeah, it's only smallish gaps as well, but looking at the respective squads, it's poor for Trek to be losing time to Nibali's team. It's a psychological blow as much as anything.

 

[portugal11]

How much time lost nibali, contador and aru to froome?

 

[memyselfandI]

Nibs -22, -26 for Bertie and -32 for Aru, right?

 

[Climbing]

1 BMC Racing Team 0:15:58
2 Quick-Step Floors 0:00:06
3 Team Sunweb
4 Team Sky 0:00:09
5 Orica-Scott 0:00:17
6 Bora-Hansgrohe 0:00:21
7 Lotto-Soudal 0:00:24
8 Movistar
9 Bahrain-Merida 0:00:31
10 Katusha-Alpecin 0:00:33
11 Trek-Segafredo 0:00:35
12 FDJ 0:00:38
13 Aqua Blue Sport
14 Dimension Data 0:00:39
15 LottoNL-Jumbo 0:00:40
16 Astana 0:00:41
17 Cannondale-Drapac 0:00:46
18 AG2R La Mondiale
19 UAE Team Emirates
20 Manzana Postobon 0:00:53
21 Caja Rural-Seguros RGA 0:00:56
22 Cofidis 0:00:57

 

[Jagartrott]

Good result for Bahrein, looking at the composition of their team.

 

[Climbing]

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Good result for Bahrein, looking at the composition of their team.

Yep quite decent, Orica good as well.

 

[HelloDolly]

Trek could have done with some practice at TTT ...they were all over the place

 

[memyselfandI]

It is indeed good for Bahrain, it's between Nibs and Froome for shure, no other climbers doing steady long tt at this race.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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It is indeed good for Bahrain, it's between Nibs and Froome for shure, no other climbers doing steady long tt at this race.

After 13k (non-individual), it's over guys.

Thanks for watching La Vuelta.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

Roche with the polka... i was hoping for Oss....

 

[DFA123]

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It is indeed good for Bahrain, it's between Nibs and Froome for shure, no other climbers doing steady long tt at this race.

After 13k (non-individual), it's over guys.

Thanks for watching La Vuelta.

The beauty of the Vuelta though is that, unlike the Tour, there are about 15 mountain/hilly stages and loads of possible ambush opportunities. Not 11 flat stages and 3 mountain stages with lame climbs nearly all under 10%.

And it finishes on Angliru, where anyone could lose five minutes on a bad day. The GC battle will be on all race for sure.

 

[vedrafjord]

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Roche with the polka... i was hoping for Oss....

Whoever crests the summit of the fearsome Alto des Nîmes first has surely earned the jersey...

 

[HelloDolly]

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Roche with the polka... i was hoping for Oss....

Oss is in the combined jersey

Roche was over the 'climb' first

 

[JosephK]

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Advantage Froome already.

Nah, Dennis, TJ, De La Cruz and Kelderman/Barguil/Oomen are ahead

In my fantasy world, I am hoping Dennis can pull a "Dumoulin," Giro-style.

 

[portugal11]

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Advantage Froome already.

Nah, Dennis, TJ, De La Cruz and Kelderman/Barguil/Oomen are ahead

In my fantasy world, I am hoping Dennis can pull a "Dumoulin," Giro-style.

Lol, dennis will never be top5 in a gt.

 

[ice&fire]

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Advantage Froome already.

Nah, Dennis, TJ, De La Cruz and Kelderman/Barguil/Oomen are ahead

In my fantasy world, I am hoping Dennis can pull a "Dumoulin," Giro-style.

Can Dumoulin pull a Dumoulin in a race with climbs like Angliru?

 

[JosephK]

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Advantage Froome already.

Nah, Dennis, TJ, De La Cruz and Kelderman/Barguil/Oomen are ahead

In my fantasy world, I am hoping Dennis can pull a "Dumoulin," Giro-style.

Lol, dennis will never be top5 in a gt.

I think he could, if we just change one little detail: remove the mountains.

 

[Sestriere]

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Advantage Froome already.

Nah, Dennis, TJ, De La Cruz and Kelderman/Barguil/Oomen are ahead

In my fantasy world, I am hoping Dennis can pull a "Dumoulin," Giro-style.

Can Dumoulin pull a Dumoulin in a race with climbs like Angliru?

He was great on Blockhaus, so why not?

 

[Tonton]

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It is indeed good for Bahrain, it's between Nibs and Froome for shure, no other climbers doing steady long tt at this race.

After 13k (non-individual), it's over guys.

Thanks for watching La Vuelta.

The beauty of the Vuelta though is that, unlike the Tour, there are about 15 mountain/hilly stages and loads of possible ambush opportunities. Not 11 flat stages and 3 mountain stages with lame climbs nearly all under 10%.

And it finishes on Angliru, where anyone could lose five minutes on a bad day. The GC battle will be on all race for sure.

True.

TTT is nothing new, like ITT is nothing new...the trend is to have less of them, but let's not kid ourselves: we can't just get GTs with no TTT and 10km of ITT just for the sake of small time gaps. It keeps riders who don't belong around and soon enough we forget that GT winners have to be a complete riders. Or riders who can mitigate a weakness by dominating another facet of cycling.

20 stages to go. It's far from over.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Threat of crosswinds tomorrow?

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

It is indeed good for Bahrain, it's between Nibs and Froome for shure, no other climbers doing steady long tt at this race.

After 13k (non-individual), it's over guys.

Thanks for watching La Vuelta.

The beauty of the Vuelta though is that, unlike the Tour, there are about 15 mountain/hilly stages and loads of possible ambush opportunities. Not 11 flat stages and 3 mountain stages with lame climbs nearly all under 10%.

And it finishes on Angliru, where anyone could lose five minutes on a bad day. The GC battle will be on all race for sure.

True.

TTT is nothing new, like ITT is nothing new...the trend is to have less of them, but let's not kid ourselves: we can't just get GTs with no TTT and 10km of ITT just for the sake of small time gaps. It keeps riders who don't belong around and soon enough we forget that GT winners have to be a complete riders. Or riders who can mitigate a weakness by dominating another facet of cycling.

20 stages to go. It's far from over.

I think it's easier to vary a lot with the vertical gains in the TTs.

 

[sir fly]

Threat of crosswinds tomorrow?

At the moment, there's a solid Tramontane, but it doesn't mean much for tomorrow.

 

[Derry]

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Advantage Froome already.

Nah, Dennis, TJ, De La Cruz and Kelderman/Barguil/Oomen are ahead

In my fantasy world, I am hoping Dennis can pull a "Dumoulin," Giro-style.

Can Dumoulin pull a Dumoulin in a race with climbs like Angliru?

Two years ago he only cracked in the last stage, mostly because he had no team. As usual there were a lot of steep climbs in that Vuelta. With a decent team he would have won that Vuelta. So yes to your question.

 

[ice&fire]

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Can Dumoulin pull a Dumoulin in a race with climbs like Angliru?

He was great on Blockhaus, so why not?

The hard section of Blockhaus climbs 900m in 9.5 km (9.5%). The hard section of Angliru climbs 870m in 6.7 km (13%). You may compare them if you want, but Blockhaus loses. And it does clearly.
Now compare Angliru to the last MTF in this year's Giro (Piancavallo)

 

[El Pistolero]

Let's be honest, the Vuelta is likely over already. Almost every modern GT is decided purely on time gained during time trials (and defending in the mountains).

It's come to a point where I hope time trials are completely banned from GTs.