Vuelta 2018 stage 14:Cistierna - Les Praeres de Nava 171km

[Red Rick]

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Quintana Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! ...WTF ???

He did not attack on the part where he was strongest ...no balls

Compare him to Valverde ,to Steve K, to Nibali .......he is a mouse...loads of talent but a mouse

He attacked multiple times.

Frankly I don't understand the criticism. He would not want to drag Lopez to the line.

Why not?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Can’t stand Simon Yates

I want to love Quintana, really, but Yates rides the way I want Quintana to ride. He waits for the opening and goes for it.

I just don't understand Quintana.

Yates is a 800m specialist, not my style of rider

Thank you. I think the same. I hate a finish like today. You know the 1km specialists will come back and wait until the end anyway so all attacks by Kruijswijk, Quintana are pointless

 

[spalco]

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He attacked multiple times.

Frankly I don't understand the criticism. He would not want to drag Lopez to the line.

Why the *** not? Take time on whoever you can today and try to beat MAL tomorrow.
Now he has nothing.

 

[Koronin]

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Who is a better TT, Yates of Valv?

Depends on Valv's mental state with TTs and how hard he wants to push it. He can do an ITT that will put him in with the TT specialists (although will loose time to the top TTers like Castroviejo and Dennis), or he can do an average ITT. Or he can do one that will put him just near the best or the middle of what the GC guys can do. It's fully dependent on his his mental state with the ITTs at the time and the team it's self has said they won't know until he's actually on course how good or average/bad his TT is going to be whereas anyone else they'll know at breakfast.

 

[DFA123]

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Quintana Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! ...WTF ???

He did not attack on the part where he was strongest ...no balls

Compare him to Valverde ,to Steve K, to Nibali .......he is a mouse...loads of talent but a mouse

He attacked multiple times.

Frankly I don't understand the criticism. He would not want to drag Lopez to the line.

Yep, the hate for him is ludicrous. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it comes from a pretty dark place as well. It's so irrational.

Looked like he was close to the limit, based on how he lost time at the end. Surely it is a missed opportunity for Yates and MAL to bury Quintana, if anything.

 

[Jagartrott]

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He attacked multiple times.

Frankly I don't understand the criticism. He would not want to drag Lopez to the line.

Why the **** not? Take time on whoever you can today and try to beat MAL tomorrow.
Now he has nothing.

Indeed, he even lost time - to Yates, Valverde, and... Lopez.
But Lopez also lost the win.

 

[Vroome.exe]

I dont understand the hate towards Quintana. If he was so strong why did he lose more than 10 seconds in the final? To me he looks like the only one who constantly attacks when he isn't the strongest, so he just cant sustain those attacks. Thats why he kept looking for help, he had nothing left.

 

[DFA123]

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Who is a better TT, Yates of Valv?

Depends on Valv's mental state with TTs and how hard he wants to push it. He can do an ITT that will put him in with the TT specialists (although will loose time to the top TTers like Castroviejo and Dennis), or he can do an average ITT. Or he can do one that will put him just near the best or the middle of what the GC guys can do. It's fully dependent on his his mental state with the ITTs at the time and the team it's self has said they won't know until he's actually on course how good or average/bad his TT is going to be whereas anyone else they'll know at breakfast.

Has he done a really good TT since his crash last year? I'm struggling to think of one. He was a bit underwhelming in the NC and the Tour, but probably was also off form for both of those.

 

[JosephK]

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The good news is, there are plenty more opportunities to make amends for a few seconds lost today if your favorite is among the top five or six on GC . . . if the form and legs are there. And of course, that "if" is a big one.

 

[Sestriere]

Quintana lost time in the end. He tried but couldn't ride the climb faster than the others. Don't understand why you would criticise him for not trying when he was clearly the most active rider (except Kruiswijk), but just couldn't go faster.

 

[DFA123]

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I dont understand the hate towards Quintana. If he was so strong why did he lose more than 10 seconds in the final? To me he looks like the only one who constantly attacks when he isn't the strongest, so he just cant sustain those attacks. Thats why he kept looking for help, he had nothing left.

Don't come here with your facts and objectivity. Everyone can see that Quintana should have put minutes into everyone - even those who demonstrably showed they were stronger than him.

 

[Koronin]

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Who is a better TT, Yates of Valv?

Depends on Valv's mental state with TTs and how hard he wants to push it. He can do an ITT that will put him in with the TT specialists (although will loose time to the top TTers like Castroviejo and Dennis), or he can do an average ITT. Or he can do one that will put him just near the best or the middle of what the GC guys can do. It's fully dependent on his his mental state with the ITTs at the time and the team it's self has said they won't know until he's actually on course how good or average/bad his TT is going to be whereas anyone else they'll know at breakfast.

Has he done a really good TT since his crash last year? I'm struggling to think of one. He was a bit underwhelming in the NC and the Tour, but probably was also off form for both of those.

He was way off form at the Tour. The short one at la Vuelta he flat out said he was being very cautious in the corners because he didn't want to take any risks and loose everything. He even said he gave up around 10 seconds there.

 

[RedheadDane]

Lol at the journos. How many mics can you shove in the face of a person? :lol:

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Quintana Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! ...WTF ???

He did not attack on the part where he was strongest ...no balls

Compare him to Valverde ,to Steve K, to Nibali .......he is a mouse...loads of talent but a mouse

He attacked multiple times.

Frankly I don't understand the criticism. He would not want to drag Lopez to the line.

Yep, the hate for him is ludicrous. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it comes from a pretty dark place as well. It's so irrational.

Looked like he was close to the limit, based on how he lost time at the end. Surely it is a missed opportunity for Yates and MAL to bury Quintana, if anything.

I agree about the first part, but disagree about the last part. Everyone was on the limit, because they were sprinting to the line. And you don't lose "only" 7 seconds if you are feeling very bad.

 

[DFA123]

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Who is a better TT, Yates of Valv?

Depends on Valv's mental state with TTs and how hard he wants to push it. He can do an ITT that will put him in with the TT specialists (although will loose time to the top TTers like Castroviejo and Dennis), or he can do an average ITT. Or he can do one that will put him just near the best or the middle of what the GC guys can do. It's fully dependent on his his mental state with the ITTs at the time and the team it's self has said they won't know until he's actually on course how good or average/bad his TT is going to be whereas anyone else they'll know at breakfast.

Has he done a really good TT since his crash last year? I'm struggling to think of one. He was a bit underwhelming in the NC and the Tour, but probably was also off form for both of those.

He was way off form at the Tour. The short one at la Vuelta he flat out said he was being very cautious in the corners because he didn't want to take any risks and loose everything. He even said he gave up around 10 seconds there.

Yeah, I wonder if there might still be some kind of psychological block. It would be natural after such a crash. Even to the extent where he might not be training much on the TT bike these days, and so might not get back to the level he sometimes showed pre-crash.

 

[Inquitus]

Whats the expected TT gaps on a flat non technical 32km TT?

Valverde 0.00
Yates +30 seconds
Quintana + 1 minutes

 

[DFA123]

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Quintana Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! Quintana! ...WTF ???

He did not attack on the part where he was strongest ...no balls

Compare him to Valverde ,to Steve K, to Nibali .......he is a mouse...loads of talent but a mouse

He attacked multiple times.

Frankly I don't understand the criticism. He would not want to drag Lopez to the line.

Yep, the hate for him is ludicrous. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it comes from a pretty dark place as well. It's so irrational.

Looked like he was close to the limit, based on how he lost time at the end. Surely it is a missed opportunity for Yates and MAL to bury Quintana, if anything.

I agree about the first part, but disagree about the last part. Everyone was on the limit, because they were sprinting to the line. And you don't lose "only" 7 seconds if you are feeling very bad.

I agree, of course he wasn't feeling bad. But I think it's impossible to say he was the strongest and should have put time into everyone, when he was dropped in the last 500m. He was good today and tried a couple of times to test the legs of others, but clearly wasn't strong enough to gain significant time. Pushing too hard and going into the red on a climb like that would have been suicidal.

 

[JosephK]

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Another advantage for Yates -- more time to recover since the last three-week tour (vs. guys who rode the TDF). Not trying to be a buzzkill. Yates is not my favorite, either. But chapeau to him on today's stage.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

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Whats the expected TT gaps on a flat non technical 32km TT?

Valverde 0.00
Yates +30 seconds
Quintana + 1 minutes

& MAL + 1:30

 

[Koronin]

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Who is a better TT, Yates of Valv?

Depends on Valv's mental state with TTs and how hard he wants to push it. He can do an ITT that will put him in with the TT specialists (although will loose time to the top TTers like Castroviejo and Dennis), or he can do an average ITT. Or he can do one that will put him just near the best or the middle of what the GC guys can do. It's fully dependent on his his mental state with the ITTs at the time and the team it's self has said they won't know until he's actually on course how good or average/bad his TT is going to be whereas anyone else they'll know at breakfast.

Has he done a really good TT since his crash last year? I'm struggling to think of one. He was a bit underwhelming in the NC and the Tour, but probably was also off form for both of those.

He was way off form at the Tour. The short one at la Vuelta he flat out said he was being very cautious in the corners because he didn't want to take any risks and loose everything. He even said he gave up around 10 seconds there.

Yeah, I wonder if there might still be some kind of psychological block. It would be natural after such a crash. Even to the extent where he might not be training much on the TT bike these days, and so might not get back to the level he sometimes showed pre-crash.

I know he's doing some training on his TT bike, but how much he's doing with technical corners, no idea. This TT isn't as technical and that's where his current mental block is coming with the TTs. I wouldn't be fully surprised if does do some work with that this coming off season.

 

[dacooley]

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I dont understand the hate towards Quintana. If he was so strong why did he lose more than 10 seconds in the final? To me he looks like the only one who constantly attacks when he isn't the strongest, so he just cant sustain those attacks. Thats why he kept looking for help, he had nothing left.

Don't come here with your facts and objectivity. Everyone can see that Quintana should have put minutes into everyone - even those who demonstrably showed they were stronger than him.

hehe, this. many folks think like dropping all major contenders and winning with flying colors is somewhat elementary for NQ. He possibly even doesn't need to break a sweat.

let's be plainspoken, Quintana just doesn't have the edge he clearly had in 2014-2016 seasons and at Blockhaus. he's pretty much just one of 4-5-6 best climbers in the world at this point, and that seems to be a ceiling of his capacities. there's no talk about any kind of domination whatsoever.

 

[spalco]

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Yep, the hate for him is ludicrous. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it comes from a pretty dark place as well. It's so irrational.

Looked like he was close to the limit, based on how he lost time at the end. Surely it is a missed opportunity for Yates and MAL to bury Quintana, if anything.

Quintana was the strongest today imo, and I resent the implied accusation of racism. The reason I am so annoyed by him is that he so rarely seems to use his full potential. He's not a coward or a wheelsucker, but I want to see him really push himself and go for the win.

 

[Koronin]

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Whats the expected TT gaps on a flat non technical 32km TT?

Valverde 0.00
Yates +30 seconds
Quintana + 1 minutes

& MAL + 1:30

I could see that. Kelderman and Steven K will be closer to Valv and one of them might be able to do a better time. That depends on if you think either of them are still in the mix.

 

[Asero831]

I do not think the TT is flat. It has its bumps all throughout

 

[HelloDolly]

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Yep, the hate for him is ludicrous. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it comes from a pretty dark place as well. It's so irrational.

Looked like he was close to the limit, based on how he lost time at the end. Surely it is a missed opportunity for Yates and MAL to bury Quintana, if anything.

Quintana was the strongest today imo, and I resent the implied accusation of racism. The reason I am so annoyed by him is that he so rarely seems to use his full potential. He's not a coward or a wheelsucker, but I want to see him really push himself and go for the win.

I agree ...he is great on the steep stuff but he lacks an attacking spirit or self believe or something. He certainly always looks like he is waiting for someone else to do something
But heaven forbid we criticize him...or you are accused of being a hater or racist or something