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Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2022, stage 16: Sanlúcar de Barrameda - Tomares, 189.4k

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ontheroad said:
Did he specifically say in his interview that it was a puncture and if so when did it happen? I don't think anyone should be jumping to conclusions until the facts are known.
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Yes he said it was a puncture, inside the last 3 k. The race commissionaires will surely have verified it, so it's kinda lame some folks doubt it. Remco certainly doesn't need to "invent" a flat tire to save his jersey. He would have finished with the chasing group. End of story.
 
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Volderke said:
Honestly I couldn't see it either and I tried to look closely at both the front and rear.

The thing is: suppose it's a slow flat and his tire is still at 2-3 bar. That's good enough to finish the stage but not good enough to follow wheels, and technically it's a flat, and it's possible you won't see it (well) on TV.

So the smart thing to do is to immediately stop, as any delay in doing so will result in the jury giving you the time of e.g. the 3rd or 4th group on the road after things have split.
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yeah its impossible to know for sure. i think maybe there shouldn't be a 3km rule on a stage like today, or if the finish is too dangerous to race safely maybe they shouldn't be doing it at all.
 
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Although the timing was "eh, what" for me, I just can't imagine for a second that a rider/ team does that.
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This is where the problem of QS' unsporting actions in the past comes back to bite them, though. It seems pretty unlikely that a team or rider would do something like that, but then we have seen them break rules to gain advantage in recent memory with Lampaert and Wellens, and we have seen (non-QS) riders pretending to have been involved in crashes in the last 3k to get the same time before. We remember Sky taking the time penalties of illegal feeds deliberately to avoid the hunger knock when their leader was distanced on a final climb. And hell, to jump to a different sport, I thought it pretty unlikely that any motor racing team would deliberately tell a driver to crash into a wall at F1 speed, but it happened.

It's all conspiracy theory villainy, but because of the timing of it and because QS have that negative reputation for their behaviour in defence of a lead, people are more willing to believe conspiracy theories about their villainy than if it was a team with an unblemished reputation - even if in some cases only because they want to believe that their guy would have won if he hadn't been screwed over.
 
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huangho said:
No matter what happens today, but that 3k rule must be changed...

I have nothing against Remco, but watching Rogla giving everything for that gap and Remco going easy in the last k is something out of my mind...

I can't believe this result...
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Why? Nasty stuff happens in those 3 km as we have seen today. Both would face a dramatic time loss without the 3 km rule. Roglic fall is a disaster but his 8 seconds gain is probably what he expected to gain. He knew he wouldn't win the sprint. Evenepoel would most likely be with the other guys of the top 10 without that puncture and could have helped in reducing the gap.
 
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The 3K rule was stated well before the start of La Vuelta. There was nothing to be unfair as this was a stage the organizer didn't want to be a GC stages. If there was no 3K rule, surely every GC team would take the approach different. I don't see why the complain here and on Eurosport. Remco knew the rule and he took it, no matter if it was really the case of a puncture.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
This is where the problem of QS' unsporting actions in the past comes back to bite them, though. It seems pretty unlikely that a team or rider would do something like that, but then we have seen them break rules to gain advantage in recent memory with Lampaert and Wellens, and we have seen (non-QS) riders pretending to have been involved in crashes in the last 3k to get the same time before. We remember Sky taking the time penalties of illegal feeds deliberately to avoid the hunger knock when their leader was distanced on a final climb. And hell, to jump to a different sport, I thought it pretty unlikely that any motor racing team would deliberately tell a driver to crash into a wall at F1 speed, but it happened.

It's all conspiracy theory villainy, but because of the timing of it and because QS have that negative reputation for their behaviour in defence of a lead, people are more willing to believe conspiracy theories about their villainy than if it was a team with an unblemished reputation - even if in some cases only because they want to believe that their guy would have won if he hadn't been screwed over.
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plus Remco used to be a footballer :p
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
This is where the problem of QS' unsporting actions in the past comes back to bite them, though. It seems pretty unlikely that a team or rider would do something like that, but then we have seen them break rules to gain advantage in recent memory with Lampaert and Wellens, and we have seen (non-QS) riders pretending to have been involved in crashes in the last 3k to get the same time before. We remember Sky taking the time penalties of illegal feeds deliberately to avoid the hunger knock when their leader was distanced on a final climb. And hell, to jump to a different sport, I thought it pretty unlikely that any motor racing team would deliberately tell a driver to crash into a wall at F1 speed, but it happened.

It's all conspiracy theory villainy, but because of the timing of it and because QS have that negative reputation for their behaviour in defence of a lead, people are more willing to believe conspiracy theories about their villainy than if it was a team with an unblemished reputation - even if in some cases only because they want to believe that their guy would have won if he hadn't been screwed over.
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Sure and Remco in the malliot roga, with all the reflectors on him, would be so daft as to pull a stunt like that and for what? To totally ruin his reputation as a sportsman? To say nothing of how devious a shadow it would cast on his team ond the sponors. Oh, please.
 
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