lol because his crash had absolutely nothing to do with that of course?
look what happened to carlos Rod after his crash.
some people...
lol because his crash had absolutely nothing to do with that of course?
look what happened to carlos Rod after his crash.
some people...
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There would have to be another monument winner to become WC, who has done superbly in other races as well. Let's assume Pog wins Lombardia again as well as WC, then he'd definitely take it. But this could be a year for Pog with lots of great results, but no big win.
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Depends on the route whether he's more than an outsider though. He can out-TT both of them, but is less reliable on the climbs and won't hoover up bonus seconds like Pogacar either.
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He's getting married alreday this winter?! :O He's 22 years old 
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Van Aert and Pogacar not having won any of the seven biggest races of the season so far opens things up for the rest. Right now I would go 1. Evenepoel, 2. Vingegaard, and behind them I'm really not sure.
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Having won little else, and not going to the WC, Vingegaard only should have a shot in case he wins Lombardia. Assuming Evenepoel doesn't bag a WC title.
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I don't wanna *** on the party too much, but I really do wonder what part of never dropping Mas on 20 minute + climbs and being a net loser to Mas in these same stages eventually equates to 'could hang with Pogacar and Vingegaard'
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He's getting married alreday this winter?! :O He's 22 years old
Ayuso got married to UAE when he was only 17.
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What? A RemCo-RomCom?He's getting married already this winter?! :O He's 22 years old
As grand tour winners I would have Hindley and Yates in the second tier. Hard to know which tier Remco would go in as he hasn't ridden many grand tours for GC. Roglic might have to be in the top tier as well. Three grand tour wins and multiple podiums.
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Normally I wouldn't put Vingegaard in second either, but Hindley and the other monument winners didn't win much else either, and I do value a Tour GC, especially one as emphatic as Vingegaard's, over a string of second-tier wins and close calls at the biggest races.
did not say that.
but to say that he was beaten/dropped/dominated/whatever on those two mountain stages when he was very clearly recovering from his crash is disingenuous.
there is an argument that suggests that without the crash he would have won the GC group in every mountain stage, dominated the only ITT and not had a single bad day throughout the three weeks.
i do not think he can yet compete with pog in the TDF largely because he will need a stronger team. he will get dropped by the attacks. he can diesel back a few times, but ultimately you cannot do that alone stage after stage (last stage of Itzulia comes to mind).
one of the reasons i suggest he go to the giro next year and QS has to get some really solid mountain pacesetters for 2024.
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I think they would have given Valverde combativity even if he were dropped on the first climb.
Remco won this Vuelta on both TTs for Mas. He is not even near Poga or Vin on the mountains.
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So Vuelta is almost over. The stage didn't deliver drama many expected.
- Billy wins again, the guy has the grit and timing (decisive acceleration when only 9' ahead of the GC guys). Congrats on his superb Vuelta (despite no GC fight).
- Congrats to Remco, the race is almost over! Well deserved victory capping an amazing season (GT + monument) (somebody tell him not to cry and not to drink too much, there's one more stage)
- Credit to Mas on a very good race as well, he didn't have the legs to attack more today. 2nd place for the 3rd time at the Vuelta - it seems to be his place TBH.
- And Ayuso - the youngest GT podium finisher since Cornet (the only clean top guy in Tour 1904, who wasn't powered by
EPOrailways or hid it well). Great future ahead, it's UAE answer to JV's Vingegaard. - Also credit to other guys like Rodriguez (for great fight despite his wounds), Almeida (superb performances in the 3rd week), Lopez (mostly Klark Kent at this Vuelta), Pedersen, Arensman and others.
- Special mention - Primoz. One of top protagonists here, the race end would've been more exciting with him surely but it wasn't to be. Hopefully no crash in his next GT.
Carapaz's form looks good for the Worlds the trouble is he still has to drop WVA on the last climb or before.
*** away. it is your right as a non-conventional "moderator".
not sure anyone is saying he could hang with pog/vingo for sure. in fact, i just posted that he likely needs a much better team at the very least. for that reason i say buy a year to secure that and go to the giro in 2023.
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Think Evenepoel's peak climbing performances (Pico Jano, Les Praeres) are on par (or at least really close) with Pogacar and Vingegaard's, but he isn't as consistent yet, even barring the weaker third weekend. And he is still yet to prove he can climb with the best on HC stuff, although he hasn't had many chances to do so.
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