Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2022, stage 20: Moralzarzal - Puerto de Navacerrada, 181.0k

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

I don't think that Remco is as good in 30 minutes plus climbing efforts than he is on the shorter climbs but Sierra Nevada is 19km at 8% so its clearly a very hard climb unlike what the user Ari described and Remco handled it well.

That was before, but the nerf made it 23 km’s at 6.6%, with the steep part ending 15k’s before the line. Definitely not 8% the whole climb.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

He's getting married alreday this winter?! :O He's 22 years old

I was surprised to hear that as well... funny to think to the older generations Remco may be almost too old to be getting hitched, but for mine 22 is a bit young. (Remco is a good looking kid, I'm sure many a teen girl will have to take his poster off her wall now that he's getting married. )

 

[Ari]

Vingegaard came in 46th in his vuelta
Pogacar 3rd.

So its clear what is harder

I already posted the power numbers comparison between remco/vingegaard/pog and they are all on the same level for the same duration. And for now that is the only way to compare them... and they are all on the same level according to their W/kg output. (which is a very good definition for possible climbing performance)

We all Saw what happened to Remco the first time he met some altitude on this Vuelta.
Oh wait, was the Crash..
Congratz to him, well deserved winner. But this Vuelta stages were not a real test to compare him to Pog ir Vin.

 

[KZD]

They changed the road to the top and took a 22km 6.9% route instead.

If they'd taken the originally intended road, I suspect he would've lost more time but still won the Vuelta comfortably. Would not have made a 2 minute difference. At the time I did think though it was very lucky timing Roglic had a bad day himself.

Well my point still stands, its very different to an Angliru but comparable to a Galibier or even a bit harder.

 

[Big Doopie]

Since when the highest finish means anything?
You can climb for 30km to reach 2000m or you can climb 10km. Which One is the most dificult?
You want to compare Angliru with Sierra Nevada?lol

but remco specifically crushed the opposition on the steeper gradients.

just loving this.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Vingegaard came in 46th in his vuelta
Pogacar 3rd.

So its clear what is harder

I already posted the power numbers comparison between remco/vingegaard/pog and they are all on the same level for the same duration. And for now that is the only way to compare them... and they are all on the same level according to their W/kg output. (which is a very good definition for possible climbing performance)

Remco still hasn’t shown the level on long climbs, so he probably isn’t 1/2 in the Tour. Vingegaard was also on dom duty during his Vuelta appearance.

 

[noob]

I was surprised to hear that as well... funny to think to the older generations Remco may be almost too old to be getting hitched, but for mine 22 is a bit young. (Remco is a good looking kid, I'm sure many a teen girl will have to take his poster off her wall now that he's getting married. )

Maybe when you nearly dies, as he nearly did, you get an urgency in life as you know you might die any second. So mentally he might have grown up faster.

(I think 22 is crazy young, but I have never nearly died so... )

 

[KZD]

We all Saw what happened to Remco the first time he met some altitude on this Vuelta.
Oh wait, was the Crash..
Congratz to him, well deserved winner. But this Vuelta stages were not a real test to compare him to Pog ir Vin.

Yeah, we saw Remco losing 48 seconds on a 'bad' day that could have very well been partly a consequence of the crash while Pogacar lost almost 3 minutes on his own bad day in the Tour finishing behind several riders...

A quick look at your previous posts showed all that I needed to know about you, another Almeida fanatic that hates Remco, no need to waste my time with such people.

 

[Ari]

Yeah, we saw Remco losing 48 seconds on a 'bad' day that could have very well been partly a consequence of the crash while Pogacar lost almost 3 minutes on his own bad day in the Tour finishing behind several riders...

A quick look at your previous posts showed all that I needed to know about you, another Almeida fanatic that hates Remco, no need to waste my time with such people.

Im Almeida and mostly Pinot Fan. Too bad hes not on his best.
And i dont hate anyone in cycling. I respect all. The first and the last one. I respect the effort of all.
Dont judge me because i have a diferent opinion.

 

[303pbmf]

Im Almeida and mostly Pinot Fan. Too bad hes not on his best.
And i dont hate anyone in cycling. I respect all. The first and the last one. I respect the effort of all.
Dont judge me because i have a diferent opinion.

Nono, he was at his best, another truth you can't accept

 

[hfer07]

Yes, why doesn't Mas just have 50 watts more in the legs, he's such a half-ass with these attacks that only Remco could follow.

Seriously, you watch cycling?

Yes, I Do - Since 1982

You?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

i didn't have much doubts about Remco before Lombardia fall. Especially with what he had shown in Burgos. Doubts started after the fall. He was still superb in solo efforts but less convincing in mountain stages and consistently being good at them. I think the fall set him back at least a year.

Now I have no more doubts. He's gonna be right up there with Vingegaard and Pogacar.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Let's not forget that Fausto Masnada played a big role in this. Don't think people understand the fire he has in his belly

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Let's not forget that Louis Vervaeke played a big role in this. Don't think people understand the fire he has in his belly

Edited for you.

Seriously though was a shame Masnada wasn't fit.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah, we saw Remco losing 48 seconds on a 'bad' day that could have very well been partly a consequence of the crash while Pogacar lost almost 3 minutes on his own bad day in the Tour finishing behind several riders...

A quick look at your previous posts showed all that I needed to know about you, another Almeida fanatic that hates Remco, no need to waste my time with such people.

Are we really comparing Pandera unipuerto with the frigging Granon stage where attacks were flying on the Telegraphe?

 

[Riek s]

Are we really comparing Pandera unipuerto with the frigging Granon stage where attacks were flying on the Telegraphe?

Yes they are comparing a bad day due to a crash with a bad day due to cracking because of ? fuel shortage? don't know the official explanation why he went from +6W to 5W/kg that last part of the climb.

 

[KZD]

Are we really comparing Pandera unipuerto with the frigging Granon stage where attacks were flying on the Telegraphe?

The point is how both of them managed the bad day. Remco was able to minimise the damage in a day in which he was clearly suffering while Pogacar lost a lot of time not only to Vingegaard but to riders like Quintana, Bardet or even Thomas which are not at the same level as he is under normal circumstances. I still rate the slovene ahead of Remco for Grand Tours but its interesting to see people assuming that Remco would have been dropped like a stone in the Tour hardest stages while it was Pogacar the one dropped like a stone on Granon.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

The point is how both of them managed the bad day. Remco was able to minimise the damage in a day in which he was clearly suffering while Pogacar lost a lot of time not only to Vingegaard but to riders like Quintana, Bardet or even Thomas which are not at the same level as he is under normal circumstances. I still rate the slovene ahead of Remco for Grand Tours but its interesting to see people assuming that Remco would have been dropped like a stone in the Tour hardest stages while it was Pogacar the one dropped like a stone on Granon.

Well, comparing limiting losses on an Unipuerto stage, a stage where time losses won’t be extreme, to a 3 cat one/HC climb day is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[KZD]

Well, comparing limiting losses on an Unipuerto stage, a stage where time losses won’t be extreme, to a 3 cat one/HC climb day is absolutely ridiculous.

Both Grand Tour stages - check

Both long MTF's (cat 2 plus cat 1 in Vuelta stage) - check

Maybe I am missing something here but I don't think comparing time losses in such stages is absolutely ridiculous, certainly not the best comparision but still one that makes sense to make...

But if you think that its normal for Pogačar to lose a lot of time to Quintana or Bardet even in a stage like that ok.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Both Grand Tour stages - check

Both long MTF's (cat 2 plus cat 1 in Vuelta stage) - check

Maybe I am missing something here but I don't think comparing time losses in such stages is absolutely ridiculous, certainly not the best comparision but still one that makes sense to make...

But if you think that its normal for Pogačar to lose a lot of time to Quintana or Bardet even in a stage like that ok.

Your completely missing the fact that before the comparable MTFs(which really aren’t comparable but whatever fits your agenda) there was a HC climb at severely high altitude plus the Telegraphe.

 

[Red Rick]

The point is how both of them managed the bad day. Remco was able to minimise the damage in a day in which he was clearly suffering while Pogacar lost a lot of time not only to Vingegaard but to riders like Quintana, Bardet or even Thomas which are not at the same level as he is under normal circumstances. I still rate the slovene ahead of Remco for Grand Tours but its interesting to see people assuming that Remco would have been dropped like a stone in the Tour hardest stages while it was Pogacar the one dropped like a stone on Granon.

Pogacar rode like a fool that day but Evenepoel on his bad day would have been destroyed much worse

 

[IndianCyclist]

Let's not forget that Fausto Masnada played a big role in this. Don't think people understand the fire he has in his belly

Yes when he had the form, he didnt help. When he didn't have the form, he couldnt help. Though he tried for 10 seconds

 

[KZD]

Your completely missing the fact that before the comparable MTFs(which really aren’t comparable but whatever fits your agenda) there was a HC climb at severely high altitude plus the Telegraphe.

That's why I said that it wasn't the best comparison but you are make it sound like the Vuelta stage was almost like a stroll in the park before the climb.

@Red Rick I don't really know your reasoning behind that but if you say so...

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Yes when he had the form, he didnt help. When he didn't have the form, he couldnt help. Though he tried for 10 seconds

Easy to say from your sofa.

How many times did you help your team leader to a GT victory whilst having a saddle sore that would cause most rider to abondon?

Fausto did this 5 month after he couldn't leave his bed for 40 days because of Mononuclosis

 

[KOM]

Some here have really hit peak psychosis, it was to be expected if Evenepoel ever did really well in a GT but uncomfortable to read nonetheless