Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2022, stage 9: Villaviciosa - Les Praeres, 171.4k

[HelloDolly]

And how would you know that? Apart from just having the need to belittle Remco?

I'm not claiming he could easily have won the Tour but just blindly denying the suggestion that he could have contended doesn't seem particularly logical to me.

When did I actually belittle Remco Evenepol ?

I belittled the poster...that you cant see the difference shows you know nothing about logic or even debate

To claim he could have won something that he wasnt even in and when he hasnt won anything yet is not logical and quite frankly insulting to the intelligence of everyone reading this blog not least because it cannot be proven either way ...

It like saying I could have won the 1924 Olympics 800 M ...who knows?
I may not be able to prove he couldnt have but I am not making the wild statement s

Its just ridiculous hubris by RE supporters

Logic ?????? ...dont make me laugh and dont waste my time

 

[ice&fire]

The 2nd rest day poll might only have one choice.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

We will have a reasonably good basis for educated guesses about where this version Remco stands against the Tour field when the race is done and we look at the climbing numbers and his three week consistency.

 

[Rollthedice]

This weak field narrative needs be dropped hard, like Hindley dropping Carapaz on Marmolada, Vingegaard dropping everybody on Granon and Remco dropping the best GT riders who lined up to win the Vuelta.

 

[Red Rick]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1563927792626139137

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1563927792626139137


Climbing time looks pretty normal all things considering

 

[Netserk]

Jaynas!

Close.

 

[movingtarget]

This weak field narrative needs be dropped hard, like Hindley dropping Carapaz on Marmolada, Vingegaard dropping everybody on Granon and Remco dropping the best GT riders who lined up to win the Vuelta.

Sometimes its a valid argument but this field is pretty good. Four ex Giro winners, a triple Vuelta winner, some good up and coming talents..........

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

And how would you know that? Apart from just having the need to belittle Remco?

I'm not claiming he could easily have won the Tour but just blindly denying the suggestion that he could have contended doesn't seem particularly logical to me.

To be fair, Lequack has been doing some passive aggressive trolling for a few months now. This statement seems very much in the same vein. Everytime Evenepoel won a c-tier race he'd react "favorite to win La Vuelta" or something along those lines. Which was rather peculiar coming from a Pog fanboy.

 

[tobydawq]

When did I actually belittle Remco Evenepol ?

I belittled the poster...that you cant see the difference shows you know nothing about logic or even debate

To claim he could have won something that he wasnt even in and when he hasnt won anything yet is not logical and quite frankly insulting to the intelligence of everyone reading this blog not least because it cannot be proven either way ...

It like saying I could have won the 1924 Olympics 800 M ...who knows?
I may not be able to prove he couldnt have but I am not making the wild statement s

Its just ridiculous hubris by RE supporters

Logic ?????? ...dont make me laugh and dont waste my time

Give me a freaking break!

 

[titan31]

Sometimes its a valid argument but this field is pretty good. Four ex Giro winners, a triple Vuelta winner, some good up and coming talents..........

Suppose the argument is most of them aren't in good condition. Roglic has had his issues, Carapaz has had one race since the Giro this year, Hindley hasnt raced much either, Landa has been injured, Nibali is ancient and Tao was just lucky.

 

[Ulle97]

Delighted to see Remco drop another WATT BOMB today!!

That's 9 stages down and three summit finishes negotiated so far. No signs of fatigue or endurance issues so far!
I fully expect a dominant TT performance on Tuesday where he will put significant time into all other rivals, except perhaps Roglic.
Still, he has 6 more summit finishes to deal with. I imagine he will have a decent lead after the TT and can consider a more conservative approach on these mountain stages. Curtailing his attacking instincts is vital in a gruelling 3 week Tour. As we saw with Pogacar this year, managing your effort is important.
Looking forward to the rest of the race........

 

[perico]

This weak field narrative needs be dropped hard, like Hindley dropping Carapaz on Marmolada, Vingegaard dropping everybody on Granon and Remco dropping the best GT riders who lined up to win the Vuelta.

This. Denigrating the field is bitterness. This field is stronger than the Giro field. Hindley prepped for the Vuelta, as did Almeida. Simon Yates and Carapaz were talked up as prime contenders. Only Landa, Roglic, and Mas came into the Vuelta with real question marks. This very website stated before the Vuelta started that it was an very deep field, and we are seeing riders who were hyped to the max in May and listed as top contenders getting dropped.

To be fair, there is only one poster really calling this field pathetic and that has more to do with the poster's intense hatred of one specific team and the leaders of that team.

Personally, I have always liked Mas, but that doesn't cloud my objectivity either way. I respect everyone who is in a GT. Sure there are teams I don't care for, and one or two I really don't like. For example, I hated Team Sky in their glory days. At the same time, I never belittled any of their riders, and respected the hell out of Froome as a rider. I still joke from time to time about Froome watch, but that doesn't diminish the amount of respect I have for the guy.

If I don't like the political (not politics but the inner workings of a team) aspect of a management, I don't see the point of bashing the riders for it. They give their best. Sometimes its good enough, and sometimes it isn't. That's the story of sports and life in general.

 

[houtdffan]

Delighted to see Remco drop another WATT BOMB today!!

That's 9 stages down and three summit finishes negotiated so far. No signs of fatigue or endurance issues so far!
I fully expect a dominant TT performance on Tuesday where he will put significant time into all other rivals, except perhaps Roglic.
Still, he has 6 more summit finishes to deal with. I imagine he will have a decent lead after the TT and can consider a more conservative approach on these mountain stages. Curtailing his attacking instincts is vital in a gruelling 3 week Tour. As we saw with Pogacar this year, managing your effort is important.
Looking forward to the rest of the race........

Remco is at his best when he dictates the pace. He struggles when he plays the climber games of accelerate and slow. Had he rode like this at last year's giro, he'd have been in pink easily after the first week, perhaps Bernal wouldn't have been able to cause his engine to blow on the gravel stage, as Bernal himself would have been tired

 

[topcat]

Remco is thrashing the field and has the best dom in perma WC Ala. I would be very surprised if he doesn't win this vuelta. I look forward to him contending in the Tour next year. I'm a balanced Remco fan. Joke about him, knock him, be hysterically fan boy about him, it's all good.
Good joke Lequack.

 

[T-Nielsen]

I was actually kinda hoping Battistella would win. If for no other reason, then so his photo would appear on the graphics. It appeared briefly early on, and... what the heck has he done to his hair?

He has dyed his eyebrows black to distract from the rest of him... I think...

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Its just ridiculous hubris by RE supporters

He is not a RE supporter. You have been baited.

 

[Big Doopie]

Remco looked really fresh on the podium today, so i dont think he went that deep.

Hard to gauge that I think.

Pro cyclists recover amazingly quickly from huge efforts. Does not mean the effort wasn’t huge.

What I would love to know is if Remco in fact lost some time in the last km to the others? It looks like it from the live timer but how accurate was that? He also seemed to struggle a bit more than the chasers on the 20-24% parts.

 

[RedheadDane]

He has dyed his eyebrows black to distract from the rest of him... I think...

Naah, I think his eyebrows are natural.

Maybe he lost a bet. Maybe he just woke up one morning and decided to bleach his hair.

 

[T-Nielsen]

Naah, I think his eyebrows are natural.

Maybe he lost a bet. Maybe he just woke up one morning and decided to bleach his hair.

Nah the bleached hair MUST be natural. It is the only excuse.

 

[Netserk]

Bleached short hair is great. And he wears it well.

 

[Riek s]

Hard to gauge that I think.

Pro cyclists recover amazingly quickly from huge efforts. Does not mean the effort wasn’t huge.

What I would love to know is if Remco in fact lost some time in the last km to the others? It looks like it from the live timer but how accurate was that? He also seemed to struggle a bit more than the chasers on the 20-24% parts.

It was indeed visually aparent. you saw him puffing on the small low gradient section in between and it is at that point he knew he blew up a bit, he wasn't pushing there, he was trying to grasp for breath. It was that very steep section before that cut his breath away. I think he was missing a tooth or 2 to keep his rithme. Also at that point the time with the leader barely went down and he kind of grinded to the finish.
Remco doesn't upload his strava files with power numbers, so don't think it will be seen by us with numbers. Maybe if people timed the last part of the climb, but not sure if someone did

But at least he exploded a bit. (Same face he had in Giro last year when he was dropped). He did recover pretty well after the stage though. Its that face the competition is waiting on... ofcourse if they can only see it on TV after the stage it doesn't help them .

 

[Red Rick]

Field is hard to judge when literally nobody is doing 2 consistent GTs in a single year this year. I guess it's not too much of a stretch to say Mas is probably at a similar level to last year. What is clear is that Roglic isn't at his normal level and that Pogacar and Vingegaard aren't there. To say the field is strong because some big names are present but finishing 60th 8 minutes down is just nuts.

What this Evenepoel would do in the or Giro or Tour? Barring collapses on longer climbs I'd lean to 3rd at the Tour and in the mix for the Giro win.

 

[Valv.Piti]

We knew Evenepoel could handle this week. The mountains are rather short, its only one big effort, and its week 1.

If he continues this level in week 2, its definitely a Giro win and somewhere in the ballpark of a few minutes behind Pogacar, noticeable stronger than Thomas, or who knows, maybe even 2nd.

 

[staubsauger]

Naah, I think his eyebrows are natural.

Maybe he lost a bet. Maybe he just woke up one morning and decided to bleach his hair.

What do you really dislike? The bleached hair itself or the reminiscences of Richard Virenque who you loved so much as a little girl and who betrayed you that much when he cried for your sympathy?

 

[Riek s]

I'm not even sure if Evenepoel would have survived the cobble stage in the tour though....
But his presence would have changed the way they rode. If remco keeps pace, pog and vingegaard can't slow down and attack.. so impossible to predict what would happen.