• The Cycling News forum is looking to add some volunteer moderators with Red Rick's recent retirement. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to @SHaines here on the forum, or use the Contact Us form to message the Community Team.

    In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.

    Thanks!

Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 11: Lerma - La Laguna Negra, 163.2k

The most pointless MTF.

866c8


cf36b


After starting from Lerma, a frequent host of the Vuelta a Burgos, it’s a rather uninteresting trek over relatively flat terrain, taking in a loop around Viñuesa before heading to the MTF. We’ve seen it once before in 2020, when Dan Martin somehow bested Primoz Roglic in a sprint of the elites. This climb simply isn’t hard enough for the favourites to hurt each other and so we should see a big breakaway take this one with action in the peloton limited to the ramp to the line at best.

Or another way to put it: don’t do ten MTFs if you don’t actually want ten mountain stages, Unipublic.
LagunaNegraDeUrbionS.gif
 
That MTF is way harder so something will actually happen there. This is just a breakaway stage pretending to be a GC stage,
Stage 16 is just funny cause they could've done a monster MTF but only go 40% up.

In reality, I don't really hate this cause I don't know what else the stage is supposed to be anyway. I guess you can want it to do part of Lagunas de Neila first but I think we both know it doesn't really change how GC guys raced it.
 
The most pointless MTF.

866c8


cf36b


After starting from Lerma, a frequent host of the Vuelta a Burgos, it’s a rather uninteresting trek over relatively flat terrain, taking in a loop around Viñuesa before heading to the MTF. We’ve seen it once before in 2020, when Dan Martin somehow bested Primoz Roglic in a sprint of the elites. This climb simply isn’t hard enough for the favourites to hurt each other and so we should see a big breakaway take this one with action in the peloton limited to the ramp to the line at best.

Or another way to put it: don’t do ten MTFs if you don’t actually want ten mountain stages, Unipublic.
LagunaNegraDeUrbionS.gif

All the negativity of yours is wearing me down...
 
All the negativity of yours is wearing me down...
Do tell me, which things about this Vuelta have I been negative about that the majority of the forum wasn’t?

Or alternatively, what things have I been negative about in the previous OPs? The only thing that comes to mind is the safety of the sprint finishes and those criticisms sadly proved to be entirely justified.

Or alternatively, which part of this OP you disagree with? You don’t think this is the weakest of the ten MTFs of this Vuelta?
 
  • Like
Reactions: SHAD0W93
Do tell me, which things about this Vuelta have I been negative about that the majority of the forum wasn’t?

Or alternatively, what things have I been negative about in the previous OPs? The only thing that comes to mind is the safety of the sprint finishes and those criticisms sadly proved to be entirely justified.

Or alternatively, which part of this OP you disagree with? You don’t think this is the weakest of the ten MTFs of this Vuelta?
There will always be one MTF that is the weakest. I don't know why it is so bad. Last time this climb ended up in a sprint between the favourites. That's okay. There can't be 10 Granon stages.

And yes, complaining about sprint finishes is unnecessary. As I said before, they can never be safe enough for some people, so there will always be something to complain about even if most often they will pass by without incidents. Spain has a lot of roundabouts. Especially in the cities. It's unavoidable that they will feature in the finales. It doesn't need to be addressed as though the whole organisation is an incompetent clump of halfwits every time there is a curve in the road inside the final 2 kms.
 
What else do you really want from this stage? A weak MTF seems just about right at this point in the race with stage 13 and 14 looming after the ITT.

The real tragedy is that stage 2 and 9 were not raced. As in literally not raced, apart from a select few riders that were not deemed important enough.

If the alternative is Geoffrey Soupe is winning after 4.30 hours of nothingness, then this is infinitely better.
 
What else do you really want from this stage? A weak MTF seems just about right at this point in the race with stage 13 and 14 looming after the ITT.

The real tragedy is that stage 2 and 9 were not raced. As in literally not raced, apart from a select few riders that were not deemed important enough.

If the alternative is Geoffrey Soupe is winning after 4.30 hours of nothingness, then this is infinitely better.
I think the two stages the Giro had after its mid-race ITT were better. More classic breakaway stages.

EDIT: I mixed up stage 11 and 12.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan
What else do you really want from this stage? A weak MTF seems just about right at this point in the race with stage 13 and 14 looming after the ITT.

The real tragedy is that stage 2 and 9 were not raced. As in literally not raced, apart from a select few riders that were not deemed important enough.

If the alternative is Geoffrey Soupe is winning after 4.30 hours of nothingness, then this is infinitely better.
A non-MTF here (assuming you put the finish in Vinuesa itself instead, either a clear sprint or a stage with the hard side of Lagunas de Neila midway through and a flat finale) because Laguna Negra just does nothing. Then in exchange for that put some walls in the finale of stage 7 (there are actually good options in that area and this route lacks hilly/mid-mountain stages) and approach Bejes from Collado de la Hoz because there would be literally 0 metres between the descent and the MTF so the peloton would be completely strung out going into the MTF. One MTF less in exchange for a better route overall, rather than doing MTFs for the sake of doing MTFs.

Obviously agree on the neutralisation of stages 2 and 9 being far bigger issues, but that shouldn't shield the remainder of the race from criticism where it's justified, and for that matter, neither should it make praise impossible.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sandisfan