Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 2: Mataró - Barcelona, 181.8k

[tobydawq]

How did the break just increase its gap by a minute and a half?

It didn't. Time gaps stopped working.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Time gap between peloton and Evenepoel group was also shown as much less that the amount of time it was taking the stretched out peloton to pass any given point.

 

[stekelegel]

peloton waited, mad Remco wanted to fix his own puncture

 

[rallybanana]

wtf happened?
what is with the awful tv production this year?
yesterday was a disaster
no camera on Remco incident/drop
then the random bora guy shown as remco's avatar
i thought ASO ran this thing

The Spanish Football Federation must be running the Vuelta this year

 

[stekelegel]

With the winner getting a kiss from the president, nobody raced yesterday, nothing to do with the weather and darkness. Poor dsm

 

[balac]

Man, Ayuso looks so so light.

 

[Savant12]

Why is Ayuso getting his own bottles?

 

[HelloDolly]

Bone dry at finish now and on climb

I guess it must be us keyboard warriors risking riders safety who got us here...........NOT

The confusion today after the blunt swearing from last night

Better sit down and discuss what is needed ...but now we just have reaction after reaction and utter confusion

A course is only as dangerous as riders rides it


..

 

[RedheadDane]

Is anyone else's KM ticker frozen at 81.7

Edit: now refreshing the screen worked.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Its only because what happened yesterday that we have neutralization today. The riders pressured Guillén too much to do something and he couldn't afford standing up for himself and the race after the debacle yesterday. What we end up with are two completely wrong decisions.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Why is Ayuso getting his own bottles?

Because the concept of the domestique does not exist on UAE if Pogacar is not racing.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1695798945425866845

Bunch of overreacting clowns.

 

[Volderke]

Bone dry at finish now and on climb

I guess it must be us keyboard warriors risking riders safety who got us here...........NOT

Finish this morning:

30% chance of thunderstorm until the finish. But glad you would have the guts to risk it.

I guess it must be common sense between riders and organisation which got us here.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Finish this morning:

30% chance of thunderstorm until the finish. But glad you would have the guts to risk it.

I guess it must be common sense between riders and organisation which got us here.

To make the decision irreversible at the start when there are still 4+ hours in which the conditions can change is still incredibly stupid, as has been proven by the fact that the road is more or less dry now. Can always agree to make a definitive call at, say, 50k to go - it can't be that hard to have one person of the organisation, one of the jury and one of the CPA on hand at the finish to jointly make that call.

 

[noob]

Because the concept of the domestique does not exist on UAE if Pogacar is not racing.

I thought he had a mechanical and took bottles at the same time??

 

[Volderke]

To make the decision irreversible at the start is still incredibly stupid. Can always agree to make a definitive call at, say, 50k to go - it can't be that hard to have one person of the organisation, one of the jury and one of the CPA on hand at the finish to jointly make that call.

I don't think it's a good idea to have a decision before the start that can be reversed 50K from the finish: the race is already on and tactics have been discussed.
Better not to change the rules during the competition, and this goes for most if not all sports.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't think it's a good idea to have a decision before the start that can be reversed 50K from the finish: the race is already on and tactics have been discussed.
Better not to change the rules during the competition, and this goes for most if not all sports.

You don't think it's a good idea to not cancel races when you don't need to?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I don't think it's a good idea to have a decision before the start that can be reversed 50K from the finish: the race is already on and tactics have been discussed.
Better not to change the rules during the competition, and this goes for most if not all sports.

It would have changed nothing. DSM would still have chased to defend the jersey, with the help of any teams with stage interests, and the GC teams aren't doing anything differently with more than 50k to go whether or not it's neutralised. There are situations in which delaying the decision until mid-stage would be problematic but this is not one of them. The plan A should always be to let the race go ahead as it's supposed to and they abandoned that plan far too easily today.

 

[Bonimenier]

Same posters that are complaining that riders said nothing before the TTT yesterday and the stage in the Renewi Tour today, are now crying the riders are complaining before the stage. Yes, Red Rick, I mean you.

 

[Red Rick]

Same posters that are complaining that riders said nothing before the TTT yesterday and the stage in the Renewi Tour today, are now crying the riders are complaining before the stage. Yes, Red Rick, I mean you.

It is almost like you can have contengencies during a road stage while you can't have it during a TTT.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Same posters that are complaining that riders said nothing before the TTT yesterday and the stage in the Renewi Tour today, are now crying the riders are complaining before the stage. Yes, Red Rick, I mean you.

It's a false equivalence. The route itself and the darkness, which were the issues in the Renewi Tour and the TTT, are known ahead of time and should therefore have both been dealt with better by the organisation and acted against sooner by the riders. The weather, which is the 'issue' here, can change dramatically during the stage even relative to the forecast and should therefore not be dealt with prematurely.

 

[Netserk]

Finish this morning:

30% chance of thunderstorm until the finish. But glad you would have the guts to risk it.

I guess it must be common sense between riders and organisation which got us here.

Which is why you in advance have clear contingency plans, and then decide and announce your decisions when you can.

Riders can ask for better plans, but the execution of emergency plans should be solely up to the organiser and commisaire.

There was no need and no good reason for the riders to strong-arm a full neutralisation of the finale before the stage had even started today.

 

[ciranda]

Special envoys to Barcelona had this as to what made Jonas walk into Movistar bus to talk with Enric.

'Yo, mi mate Mas, no puede ser this way. Usted quieres Roglic con bonis? Habla por favor con tu boss Eusebio and pidele qué hable con Guillen..."

if only Chris Horner was there to translate

 

[Nick2413]

Same posters that are complaining that riders said nothing before the TTT yesterday and the stage in the Renewi Tour today, are now crying the riders are complaining before the stage. Yes, Red Rick, I mean you.

It’s also possible to disagree with those riders.

 

[Netserk]

Same posters that are complaining that riders said nothing before the TTT yesterday and the stage in the Renewi Tour today, are now crying the riders are complaining before the stage. Yes, Red Rick, I mean you.

They clearly should say their opinion before the stage, but the decision should not be up to them.