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I don't think so, only the most important stages are broadcasted in their entirety. Basically what the Tour used to do before they started to broadcast everything.
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Looking at the times here
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full stages broadcast are 13, 14, 18 and 20
Was it like this last year? I somehow think we got to see the full stages.
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Lorenzo Milesi will be the youngest race leader at a Grand Tour since Miguel Indurain in the 1985 Vuelta.
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GC times will be taken at the KOM at Montjuïc, bonus seconds both there and at the finish will be maintained. ***.
Edit: and in English.
Edit: and in English.
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Erm, seems a bit half-assed as usual in terms of decreasing the risks.
Edit: and I think it's a wide and sweeping descent from the last KoM climb so it's not *that* dangerous
Edit: and I think it's a wide and sweeping descent from the last KoM climb so it's not *that* dangerous
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The only bit that's actually technical is the run-in to Montjuïc, so it literally accomplishes nothing whilst also ruining the stage.
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I mean probably there will be less congestion in the last 3k by the people who need to stay in the main group for GC but have no chance of the bonifications, but as you correctly say, the last bit is not really technical so I am not sure if there will be much effect in terms of decreasing the risks.
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"We care about safety"
"Here's a preventative measure that changes nothing"
"WHERE DO I SIGN IN MY OWN BLOOD"
"Here's a preventative measure that changes nothing"
"WHERE DO I SIGN IN MY OWN BLOOD"
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This is some funny sh*t right here.
We've seen the finish, i.e. these roads are the same as the ones used in Catalunya in March (I believe). If it's the same descent in Barcelona, then it's very wide & not very technical at all.
I'm disappointed tbh.
We've seen the finish, i.e. these roads are the same as the ones used in Catalunya in March (I believe). If it's the same descent in Barcelona, then it's very wide & not very technical at all.
I'm disappointed tbh.
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It is 80% the same descent and the other 20% are even wider. If that's too dangerous, then you can never have a non-GC-neutralised finish that isn't uphill if it's raining. Would be dozens, if not 100+ neutralisations a year if that's the approach now, fundamentally breaking the sport.
The section from (approximately) 7.5k to 5.5k, on the other hand, is narrow and twisty and I never understood why they're using that rather than the far less technical run-in of the 2012 stage. And with times being taken on the Montjuïc, it's only become more important to stay at the front there so if anything this change makes it more dangerous. The more you think about it, the worse this decision gets.
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- May 10, 2015
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That's just a dumb fix, I mean it isn't a fix, the dangerous part is before Montjuic lmao.
Does make gregoire more of a favorite, some GC riders might take it easy ever Montjuic.
"Because it's beautiful and historic" probably something like that. It's a ridiculous run in, while they could just take a big road towards Montjuic.
Does make gregoire more of a favorite, some GC riders might take it easy ever Montjuic.
"Because it's beautiful and historic" probably something like that. It's a ridiculous run in, while they could just take a big road towards Montjuic.
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So now it‘s the ultra-mega Montjuic bonus-bonus sprint followed by another bonus sprint? Sounds very safe.
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Safety in the peloton is a joke concept, riddled with self serving interests & outright lack of self awareness.
Half the trouble with large pelotons bombing towards tricky sections of the route is there's invariably 100 riders without GC ambitions or stage ambitions who're still getting yelled at by their DS's to get to the front of the bunch.
Then there's riders (no names) who're very vocal about safety concerns... when GC is in their favor & they don't like the look of the finish.
Half the trouble with large pelotons bombing towards tricky sections of the route is there's invariably 100 riders without GC ambitions or stage ambitions who're still getting yelled at by their DS's to get to the front of the bunch.
Then there's riders (no names) who're very vocal about safety concerns... when GC is in their favor & they don't like the look of the finish.
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Not really. Rog is a good descender, so that wouldn't be an issue.
Likewise I don't like them messing with the route like this at the last minute. It's a stage which favors a certain type of rider, i.e. riders who deserve to have a chance to express themselves on their preferred terrain & get maximum benefit out of it.
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last time Bouhanni and Bennati came fairly close. I wouldn't be too surprised if sprinters like Groves or maybe Page can hang on as well.
Hmm, having the bonus seconds for winning the stage at the finish will still force people to go hard on the descend.
Yes, the road is wide enough and not technical, but the organizers must make sure there is no standing water anywhere in the last 10k.
Yes, the road is wide enough and not technical, but the organizers must make sure there is no standing water anywhere in the last 10k.
- Sep 20, 2017
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The narrowest, twistiest and also partially downhill section is from 7.5k to 6.5k to go. Here’s an extremely easy fix that should be logistically feasible to implement even now, because it doesn’t require any roads to be closed that weren’t going to be closed anyway.
This would be far more effective safety-wise, while also not hurting the racing. Unfortunately, both Unipublic and CPA are idiots.
Or, you know, just use the 2012 route, like you should have in the first place. That would be even better.
This would be far more effective safety-wise, while also not hurting the racing. Unfortunately, both Unipublic and CPA are idiots.
Or, you know, just use the 2012 route, like you should have in the first place. That would be even better.
Feels like an overreaction on the stupidity we had yesterday. At least i hope they will wait to see the final conditions before make the choice.
Still with boni seconds still present, i think that would have been the main difference between the riders here at the finish anyway. Don't think we would have seen large gaps here that would matter for GC (unless due to a crash).. So only thing that is being 'saved' is those who can't/couldn't contend for the win won't loose time if something happens in the descend. With the boni seconds on the top, the best riders should be in the front at that point (and not in 100th position).
Still with boni seconds still present, i think that would have been the main difference between the riders here at the finish anyway. Don't think we would have seen large gaps here that would matter for GC (unless due to a crash).. So only thing that is being 'saved' is those who can't/couldn't contend for the win won't loose time if something happens in the descend. With the boni seconds on the top, the best riders should be in the front at that point (and not in 100th position).
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Déjà vu all over again! Giro part 2 - rain, crashes, Covid and the EWP - all we need now is a dog ... (although I hope not).
It does seem a weird compromise of having the GC times at the top of the last climb but still having a 10 second bonus at the finish. More for the appearance of safety then actual safety, me thinks.
It does seem a weird compromise of having the GC times at the top of the last climb but still having a 10 second bonus at the finish. More for the appearance of safety then actual safety, me thinks.
- Aug 29, 2009
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especially as they now can even "win" more on the climb. Not only bonus, but the gap will count as well.
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