Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2024, stage 15: Infiesto - Cuitu Negru, 142.9k

[saunaking]

Cian out with covid

https://twitter.com/x/status/1830142563371593963

View: https://x.com/vismaleaseabike/status/1830142563371593963

fakest COVID since remco got it

 

[yaco]

It sounds like you seem to have a problem with Bora & this is just a good pretext to beat up on them with the rule book, i.e. case in point:



That's like... just your opinion man.

What has Bora got to do with the situation? I call it as I see it. It would be better if you showed more balance in your posts, instead of your blindless devotion to Roglic

 

[tobydawq]

fakest COVID since remco got it

?

 

[ppanther92]

Good decision for him to lose a lot of time so he can go in break and try to win stages. He's probably not gonna help O'Connor much anyway.

I just fear it was not a decision.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

I just rewatched the footage and Roglic spends a full minute(!) on camera(!!) drafting behind the team car. One can only guess for how long he was doing it off camera.

In that light, he was really lucky to only get a 20 second penalty.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I just rewatched the footage and Roglic spends a full minute(!) on camera(!!) drafting behind the team car. One can only guess for how long he was doing it off camera.

In that light, he was really lucky to only get a 20 second penalty.

Not to mention the benefit gained from the gearing for the climb. It was a risk that they didn’t need to take but did, thus they were justifiably punished. Also got lucky other teams thought he had a mechanical so let off the pace, if they do that again Movistar or someone else could up the pace and make it harder for Roglic to come back.

 

[Bolder]

You see him jamming up the hill, bike set up for ultimate few kilometers easier ratios put him at an obvious advantage, it's only a grannie gear if you are a granny..
Roglic is fun to watch almost always looks like he has a plan and is following it.. Having the spare bike at the ready, having the legs and position to jump on a new bike is crafty and confidence, competent. When you have plan A,B,C...it just shows you are ready for good and bad..

Was the time penalty part of that plan?

 

[Red Rick]

"He was lucky he did not get more than the stilulated punishment according to the rulebook"

Some bigly emotional response there

 

[ontheroad]

fakest COVID since remco got it

Fast forward to the 2035 Tour and we will probably still have riders withdrawing mid race being put down to Covid!

 

[scribers]

Why was vlasov up the road going eyeballs out?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Why was vlasov up the road going eyeballs out?

Scarcely eyeballs out for most of the stage, as UAE did all the pulling.
Available if Roglic needed him to drop back, casting a constant uncertainty over the other GC contenders that Roglic might attack early given that he had help available, and possibility of a first GT stage win.

Worthwhile objectives, and in this sport only a small proportion of motivations yield the desired results, but they are not invalid as motivations, or we would have no real sport.

 

[scribers]

It’s become a critical team sport where they count watts in service of a leader, and efforts like his to take the stage win standout apart from the goals of the team.

 

[Rob5091]

Why was vlasov up the road going eyeballs out?

Showing how to lose to a pro team rider?

Roglic getting a 20 second penalty and still not stomping after the bike change, makes me wonder if Red Bull/Bora will try this tactic again.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I just rewatched the footage and Roglic spends a full minute(!) on camera(!!) drafting behind the team car. One can only guess for how long he was doing it off camera.

In that light, he was really lucky to only get a 20 second penalty.

Roglic, Martinez and Adria each got 20 seconds penalty, 4 points off both their green and polka dot tallies, 15 points from the UCI classification, as well as a 200CHF fine: Archbold as DS got a 500CHF fine.

Allowable penalties would have been up to 5 minutes time penalty (20 seconds is the minimum), and a yellow card could also have been given. So there could be a case made that 20 seconds was lenient.

In extremis:

In addition to the above provisions, in serious cases, in cases of repeated infringement or aggravating
circumstances or if an infringement offers an advantage, the Commissaires’ Panel may eliminate or
disqualify a rider and/or exclude a licence holder.
The commissaires' panel also reserves the right to downgrade the position of the team vehicle in the line-up
of team vehicles.

but I don't think anyone would have been calling for that yesterday. Although that clause "or if an infringement offers an advantage" would seem to suggest that it should e disqualification every time: of course there is an advantage.

If the only point of yellow cards at the moment is to get riders and teams (and fans) used to the concept (they are not being counted towards suspensions until next season), then the inconsistency of their application in this race is not helpful.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Was there any action taken against the UAE car for that manoeuvre at the intermediate sprint?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

It’s become a critical team sport where they count watts in service of a leader, and efforts like his to take the stage win standout apart from the goals of the team.

Available if Roglic needed him to drop back, casting a constant uncertainty over the other GC contenders that Roglic might attack early given that he had help available,

apart from the goals of the team?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

"He was lucky he did not get more than the stilulated punishment according to the rulebook"

Some bigly emotional response there

Except that that response seems entirely absent from comments here.

 

[Lui98]

Was there any action taken against the UAE car for that manoeuvre at the intermediate sprint?

Yes, Marcato was fined 1000 CHF for: "breach of regulations concerning vehicle movement during race".

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Why was vlasov up the road going eyeballs out?

Not sure why I'm supposed to know Is it because "up the road" is where the finish was?

 

[Rob5091]

Expensive day for Red Bull/Bora on stage 15 -
Primox Roglic (Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe): Sheltering behind team car (for extensive period of time). 200CHF fine; 15 UCI points fine; 4KOM points penalization; 4 Points Classification penalization; 20 seconds overall classification penalization.

Daniel Martínez (Red Bull - BORA- hansgrohe): Sheltering behind team car (for extensive period of time). 200CHF fine; 15 UCI points fine; 4KOM points penalization; 4 Points Classification penalization; 20 seconds overall classification penalization.

Roger Adrià (Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe): Sheltering behind team car (for extensive period of time). 200CHF fine; 15 UCI points fine; 4KOM points penalization; 4 Points Classification penalization; 20 seconds overall classification penalization.

DS Shane Archbold (Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe): Sheltering behind team car (for extensive period of time). 500CHF fine & Breach of regulations concerning vehicle movement during race: 1000 CHF fine.

DS Patxi Villa (Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe): Sticky Bottle. 500CHF fine.

2 600 CHF all together by my reckoning.

 

[tobydawq]

Expensive day for Red Bull/Bora on stage 15 -
Primox Roglic (Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe): Sheltering behind team car (for extensive period of time). 200CHF fine; 15 UCI points fine; 4KOM points penalization; 4 Points Classification penalization; 20 seconds overall classification penalization.

Daniel Martínez (Red Bull - BORA- hansgrohe): Sheltering behind team car (for extensive period of time). 200CHF fine; 15 UCI points fine; 4KOM points penalization; 4 Points Classification penalization; 20 seconds overall classification penalization.

Roger Adrià (Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe): Sheltering behind team car (for extensive period of time). 200CHF fine; 15 UCI points fine; 4KOM points penalization; 4 Points Classification penalization; 20 seconds overall classification penalization.

DS Shane Archbold (Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe): Sheltering behind team car (for extensive period of time). 500CHF fine & Breach of regulations concerning vehicle movement during race: 1000 CHF fine.

DS Patxi Villa (Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe): Sticky Bottle. 500CHF fine.

2 600 CHF all together by my reckoning.

Can the two team vehicles not ride in convoy now or how was Archbold sheltering behind a team car?

 

[Unchained]

This is a fan forum, not the UN. I don't have to answer such questions regarding bias versus non bias. Of course I'm a Rog fan. I mean hello? Meanwhile can you guarentee everyone happy right now with the commissaire decision is an impartial bystander who only cares about "ze rules"? I don't think so.

Bias cuts both way.



They were coming back into the peloton with or without the car draft. That's the context. He swapped bikes immediately after a nature break.

At most they made a mistake using the car to help him back in, especially considering the punishment for their 'crime'.

But let's not pretend the car draft was decisive. It wasn't. Without the car he was still getting right back into his spot in the bunch without sticking his nose in the wind on the wheels of his teammates (aka teammates who dropped as soon as the climb got serious anyway so they were of no further use in the stage & did not influence anything).

The context is professional riders, spirit of the rule, not it's actual observance, as you correctly point out Roglic would have chased and caught under similar circumstances, if he were pulling the team car w a rope wrapped around his waist. He would have bridged, contested the stage just as he did, Grand Tour, putting time leaders jersey. The only mistake made was by the officials for enforcing a petty provision against a high visibility offender and letting all the other motorcycle, car grabbing cheats go unrecognized because at @2,3 hours off the back ,
that looks like kicking while they are down.
This happens in many professional sports were the officiating crew become part of the competition, instead of background were they belong.
Big picture rolling Roglic, doesn't think even an extra 20 seconds is a big deal.. He has that Arnold Schwarzenegger cool confidence that draws people to him..gave out Enric Mas compliment because he can..

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VifTuTn1Mm8&pp=ygUOQ3ljbGlzbUFjdHUgVFY%3D


He says w the time penalty bike swap was a wash
Was the time penalty part of that plan?

 

[memyselfandI]

I'm probably way out with this, but leaning to a thought that he and team are not that worried about the gap to O'Connor and to Mas as thing are evolving to right direction or stay where they are atm. Maybe not even planning to grab red jersey at all before the tt.

Wouldn't it be the optimal case to arrive to the final tt like half a minute or handful of seconds back, slowly eating that gap away these last days? No need to defend the attacks, no need to sit and stand in interviews and dopingtests too long and all that gc leader jazz.

When you know how you typically handle tt's against this top5.

 

[cen]

I'm probably way out with this, but leaning to a thought that he and team are not that worried about the gap to O'Connor and to Mas as thing are evolving to right direction or stay where they are atm. Maybe not even planning to grab red jersey at all before the tt.

Wouldn't it be the optimal case to arrive to the final tt like half a minute or handful of seconds back, slowly eating that gap away these last days? No need to defend the attacks, no need to sit and stand in interviews and dopingtests too long and all that gc leader jazz.

When you know how you typically handle tt's against this top5.

No, betting it all on TT would be idiotic. One mechanical and adios.

 

[Escarabajo]

This is a fan forum, not the UN. I don't have to answer such questions regarding bias versus non bias. Of course I'm a Rog fan. I mean hello? Meanwhile can you guarentee everyone happy right now with the commissaire decision is an impartial bystander who only cares about "ze rules"? I don't think so.

Bias cuts both way.



They were coming back into the peloton with or without the car draft. That's the context. He swapped bikes immediately after a nature break.

At most they made a mistake using the car to help him back in, especially considering the punishment for their 'crime'.

But let's not pretend the car draft was decisive. It wasn't. Without the car he was still getting right back into his spot in the bunch without sticking his nose in the wind on the wheels of his teammates (aka teammates who dropped as soon as the climb got serious anyway so they were of no further use in the stage & did not influence anything).

If it was not important then do not to change bikes. Problem fixed. I could care less if it was decisive or not, the fine was OK and well deserved.