Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2024, stage 15: Infiesto - Cuitu Negru, 142.9k

[AmRacer]

This is a fan forum, not the UN. I don't have to answer such questions regarding bias versus non bias. Of course I'm a Rog fan. I mean hello? Meanwhile can you guarentee everyone happy right now with the commissaire decision is an impartial bystander who only cares about "ze rules"? I don't think so.

Bias cuts both way.



They were coming back into the peloton with or without the car draft. That's the context. He swapped bikes immediately after a nature break.

At most they made a mistake using the car to help him back in, especially considering the punishment for their 'crime'.

But let's not pretend the car draft was decisive. It wasn't. Without the car he was still getting right back into his spot in the bunch without sticking his nose in the wind on the wheels of his teammates (aka teammates who dropped as soon as the climb got serious anyway so they were of no further use in the stage & did not influence anything).

Rogla knew he would be penalised, the bike change was a calculated risk.

 

[jmdirt]

I get it. Car drafting = worse thing ever someone please call the UN right here right now, whilst sticky bottles = je ne sais quoi shrugs.

I mean... this conversation is going round in circles here. I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires. I mean this sort of sh*t could decide the Vuelta winner. It's not a joke.

So you are saying 'don't apply the rules to riders close to the top in GC'?

They will use the video from today to show officials in training the most blatant abuse of drafting.
-no mechanical, motor pacing back to the group.

 

[Oldermanish]

The fog of war..........

He may have meant in the front of big gaps or something...a little can be lost in his translations right after a race.

 

[scribers]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yIR3NU3P_bU

Also illegal use of team car

lol. *** all over the back fender

 

[jmdirt]

They should be applied consistently across the board or not at all. Especially for something so trivial which didn't violate the fairness of proceedings.

But don't mess with GC one week from Madrid on a technicality. Not when (as I've said a billion times already) sticky bottles, irregular behavior in the bunch and all that cr*p goes completely unpunished everywhere.

Absolutely no one applauding this decision this evening can say with a straight face the rules are enforced equally every day in this Grand Tour no matter the rider or the infringement. It just doesn't happen.

The rules are not applied consistently, and I'd be shocked if anyone would say otherwise. That being said, this was such a blatant case that it had to be called.
motor pacing>sticky bottle.

EDIT: because many want to make it about 'the rider we like', I like PR! I just don't think that what he did today should be part of cycling. That doesn't change the fact that I want him to challenge for the win.

 

[Oldermanish]

So it is fair to travel in the shelter of a car? Will you be asking the UCI to re-instate Eekhoff's 2019 U23 World title?

You still haven't addressed the question of why he would take a draft from the car if he didn't think it would give him any advantage...



Indeed, inconsistency is a problem. But when rule breaking is clearly happening, and no mitigating circumstances are present, there is more onus on officials to explain why they did not apply the rules than on why they did.

Can you cite any occasions when you have been similarly incensed about rules being applied to other riders, or this about being offended on behalf of a preferred rider?

Roglic chose the option of taking a bike and drafting a car. That's pretty much seizing an advantage not allowed so he should get the penalty. Much different than the allowance given to riders that are crashed through no fault of their riding...to a point. I've never liked guys pacing after mechanicals and this is more blatant. Using the caravan? Yes, of course. 99% of the time they are in the way and there is no choice.
Hopefully he'll channel his tension towards the major beneficiaries of the 20 second bonus and I doubt he'll complain about the penalty. Hopefully.

 

[topcat]

Roglic +20s for drafting.

Why only 20s?

 

[Netserk]

Why only 20s?

Standard penalty.

 

[meat puppet]

Don't get the fuss here.

The drafting was very deliberate, they were clearly searching for gains via a) what was perceived as a bike with better gearing and b) spending less energy and time getting back after changing in comparison to doing it without the pace car (and IMHO got both), so to me the penalty was justifiable.

One can argue consistency, yeah, but even so I think the call was correct. Do we want these asinine gearing motivated changes and pace car get-backs proliferate before climbs? I don't.

Also GC wise most likely nothing will be won or lost on that decision unless Rogla either cannot take 45sec from BOC (Blue Öyster Cult) in the TT and the remaining mountain stages and/or is dropped big time by Mas.

I think rogla will win the required seconds fairly easily and that's the end of this. If he somehow doesn't, too bad, maybe pedal a bit harder next time.

 

[Cookster15]

Watched the stage highlights. Wow, what a stage, congrats all round, the drama continuing until after the finish!

1. Congrats to Castillo - such a gusty win to hold off Vlasov after he looked gone for all money.
2. Congrats to Roglic for a similarly gutsy ride to recover and claw his way back to Mas despite obviously not having his best day.
3. Congrats to O"Conner for suffering big time to hold red against my expectations and then get the bonus of Roglic's time penalty. It is still highly unlikely but he isn't out of it yet. Felix Gall cracked and dropped out of contention so now O'Conner is indisputably the team leader at Decathlon.
4. And congrats to the Vuelta organizers for putting the rampas inhumanas on the menu. 24% sections amazing to see the riders almost at a standstill. How did the sprinters get up that? There wasn't a normal grupetto, Groves finished inside the limit at +26mins.

 

[will-10]

There are guys on here who will be arguing about the penalty a lot harder than the Red Bull guys themselves, which says it all. Standard penalty

 

[Samu Cuenca]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yIR3NU3P_bU

Also illegal use of team car

Why didn't they give him the standard 20 second penalty for that? Imagine if they had forced Roglič to ride back to where he changed his bike, before he was allowed to continue. Pure bull.

 

[tobydawq]

Did Gall walk up the climb?

 

[hayneplane]

Correct decision to give Roglic a time penalty. I don’t mind them turning a blind eye to most drafting when a rider suffers a mechanical or a crash caused by another rider but to try and draft inches from the rear bumper of his own car for so long after a bike change done by choice not necessity is fully meriting of punishment.

 

[Taxus4a]

Quite stupid tactic for T REX, It is Roglic team who has to do the work, and just people to put Landa ok at the begining of the climb and to help him at the first attack, the moment he more suffer.

Just attack or use the team like this if he fell very welll. But today stage was short , quite explosive, no good for him. Try to put people on the break, and other way dont pull, or just help other teams to pull. Landa has bever be good when the team has worked this way for him. Ir would be good if he put people at Los Lagos stage and he attack at the penultimate climb and make something similar to Carapaz at Granada.

 

[BeachBum]

It always blows my mind that people don't realize what happens to your mind when you go that deep.

My brother in law did RAAM years ago and fell asleep twice while riding, luckily no big damage from the subsequent crashes.

 

[tobydawq]

Cuitu Negru is really fun as unipuerto finish on stage 11.

Its not so much fun if it is the stage where you expect the biggest gaps to happen

Good thing it wasn't then.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Did Gall walk up the climb?

Good decision for him to lose a lot of time so he can go in break and try to win stages. He's probably not gonna help O'Connor much anyway.

 

[memyselfandI]

Just watched last climb as I was away elsewhere at the end of the race. Jeebs what a finale, Castrillo crazy crazy stuff going there, loved how he manhandled Vlasov in the end, total immersion!!

Superstrong Mas, but great fightback from Roglic. And. And. Triple thumbs up to Roglic how he gave nice FU slaps in interview for those unbelievably stupid questions.

Saw on live Roglic drafting thing, was not that special me thinks, can't really understand the penalty? Well you get them if socks are too high and if you stop to give kiss to your gf, normally, no? Why penalty for drafting, as it was short and obviously meaningless, not a game changer, not a WC road or monument one day?

 

[tobydawq]

Good decision for him to lose a lot of time so he can go in break and try to win stages. He's probably not gonna help O'Connor much anyway.

As long as O'Connor has the jersey, that obviously isn't happening.

 

[Unchained]

He absolutely gained an advantage. Why else would he do it?

You see him jamming up the hill, bike set up for ultimate few kilometers easier ratios put him at an obvious advantage, it's only a grannie gear if you are a granny..
Roglic is fun to watch almost always looks like he has a plan and is following it.. Having the spare bike at the ready, having the legs and position to jump on a new bike is crafty and confidence, competent. When you have plan A,B,C...it just shows you are ready for good and bad..

 

[Lequack]

Just saw a replay from today, couldn't watch it live. What a ride today from Castrillas, he is the real deal it seems. This is a great signing for Ineos.

But the reporters just attacked him after the finish. Let the man brathe!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1830342953258111432

View: https://twitter.com/HubertMontoyaC/status/1830342953258111432

 

[Ricco']

Why do journalists really think we want to listen to what a rider has to say? "Hard day, never thought this could happen, my journey had a lot of hardships to reach this, this victory is for my team and friends, etc. etc."

Let me see instead how the rider celebrates with his entourage, how happy he is, how the other riders react, show the replay of how it happened. So much more interesting that the vague points a flash interview can give.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Small differences. Roglic attacked too early, maybe he was overconfident but it is normal due to his insane stage before yesterday

 

[Lequack]

And some more pics