Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2024, stage 15: Infiesto - Cuitu Negru, 142.9k

[Samu Cuenca]

It's Asturian.
The equivalent Spanish word is cueto and has several meanings:

• Defended place at elevation
• Hill with conical shape

Are there also words for undefended places at elevation or for hills with comical shapes?

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires. I mean this sort of sh*t could decide the Vuelta winner. It's not a joke.

Ahahhahahahahaha maybe don't blatantly draft on camera after doing a bike change by choice in a critical moment of the race then? This is entirely self inflicted and a relatively small penalty that is unlikely to decide the race

 

[Sciatic]

It's Asturian.
The equivalent Spanish word is cueto and has several meanings:

• Defended place at elevation
• Hill with conical shape

Thank you!

 

[ice&fire]

Are there also words for undefended places at elevation or for hills with comical shapes?

I could go to The Alphabet Game if I knew

 

[AmRacer]

I get it. Car drafting = worse thing ever someone please call the UN right here right now, whilst sticky bottles = je ne sais quoi shrugs.

I mean... this conversation is going round in circles here. I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires. I mean this sort of sh*t could decide the Vuelta winner. It's not a joke.

He didn't have to draft the car, or change bike. He didn't have a mechanical.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I mean... this conversation is going round in circles here. I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires. I mean this sort of sh*t could decide the Vuelta winner. It's not a joke.

You could claim that the penalty is too harsh and unusual, but what you‘re saying is that Roglič is too important and therefore above the law. I don‘t agree with that.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

Ahahhahahahahaha maybe don't blatantly draft on camera after doing a bike change by choice in a critical moment of the race then? This is entirely self inflicted and a relatively small penalty that is unlikely to decide the race

You should read the Roglic thread, some genuinely seem to believe it's some sort of conspiracy.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I get it. Car drafting = worse thing ever someone please call the UN right here right now, whilst sticky bottles = je ne sais quoi shrugs.

I mean... this conversation is going round in circles here. I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires. I mean this sort of sh*t could decide the Vuelta winner. It's not a joke.

And others are saying that a penalty that is not draconian, but that is greater than the advantage gained, is reasonable sanction for a rule transgression.

I think it is unlikely that Roglic will win by lose at all, even less so that he will lose by less than 20 seconds, but if he does so that will be because he and the team made a wrong choice, not the commissaires.

 

[Rackham]

You could claim that the penalty is too harsh and unusual, but what you‘re saying is that Roglič is too important and therefore above the law. I don‘t agree with that.

That's like literally not what I'm saying. At all.

I'm saying the law is very selective in this instance. There's a difference. This is only going to end one way anyway, i.e. next time someone does something on camera which is technically outside of the permitted rules (like those aforementioned sticky bottles which no one seems to care about) & absolutely nothing happens... then yeah, I'll just laugh. Sardonically.

You should read the Roglic thread, some genuinely seem to believe it's some sort of conspiracy.

Haters gonna hate. Some have come out en force after they disappeared on Friday evening.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

That being said, I do believe the commissaires are out to get Roglic. I mean, why wouldn't Nicolas Le Tallec from France, Gianluca Grocetti from Italy and Jurgen Deryckere from Belgium be against him? This is pay back time for Imola. I can see it, as clear as day.

 

[red_flanders]

Roglic haters are gonna love this one. red_flanders where u at?

Hey dude, give it a rest. It was funny the first time, but it's dumb now.

Being critical of someone for one incident doesn't make one a "hater". I criticize riders I like when they do stupid stuff.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

Some have come out en force after they disappeared on Friday evening.

Who would that be?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

It's Asturian.
The equivalent Spanish word is cueto and has several meanings:

• Defended place at elevation
• Hill with conical shape

I looked it up and it linked to Spanish cucho : not a word I was familiar with, but apparently a conical hat.

So cuito negru would be like a witch's hat. Which I suppose it might resemble, from a distance.

 

[Andre]

It's Asturian.
The equivalent Spanish word is cueto and has several meanings:

• Defended place at elevation
• Hill with conical shape

Thank you for that ice&fire.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Because this is real life? Let's siphon through all the footage of this Vuelta since day 1 with detective eyes & spot the sticky bottles, drafting & god knows what else that happens.

A little bit a tact from the commissaires would be welcome.

Dictionary amendment No 24, 374

Tact: Complicity with rule-breaking

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires.

If the rules says you cant do a specific thing, it should be completely irrelevant How the race situation is. it’s the action that is relevant, not how a penalty potentially intervene with the results.

 

[Netserk]

Because he gained no advantage? I mean WTF. He was in the peloton safely, swapped safely and then returned safely.

If GC is decided by this penalty (which I don't think it will be) then sh*t.

It was quite egregious, so I think that penalty was fully justified and in line with previous sanctions for drafting.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

2012 played out way differently than today

If you send 100 Vueltas up here, today will be the more common way it plays out though. Especially if your penultimate climb is Colladiella.

 

[KZD]

Every Grand Tour has a nice surprise reserved and in this year's Vuelta that rider is Pablo Castrillo. Today he beat two riders with a much more impressive palmares and he is the unlike Spanish hero in their home race.

Regarding the GC fight it ended up being a bit of a let down. These stages with super steep finishes often result in this sadly.

Mas return to his usual Vuelta level and Roglič suffered a bit, I think that Lipowitz pace was so high that it ended up hurting his leader. O'Connor defended himself better but still lost some valuable seconds, Carapaz did really well too unlike Landa who was kind of disappointing after putting his team to work during most of the stage. Skjelmose finishes this week in a very high note, probably benefitting from having ridden no Grand Tour this season and I think he finish in the top5 overall.

 

[Rackham]

Dictionary amendment No 24, 374

Tact: Complicity with rule-breaking

If the rules says you cant do a specific thing, it should be completely irrelevant How the race situation is. it’s the action that is relevant, not how a penalty potentially intervene with the results.

I'll play ball for a second but tact refers to context. If Rog had been caught in a split & drafted to get back on, then fine, yes. But that's not what happened. It's not the first time this season there's been an overly zealous decision by the commissaires either. Josh Tarling's own misadventure in Paris-Roubaix springs to mind.

I mean look, everyone can hide behind the almighty 'rule book' as much as they want but we all know it's enforced (at best) inconsistently & mostly not at all.

So yeah, great job 'commissaires' *clap clap here's your applause*... although I'd hazard a guess on Tuesday everything will be back to business as usual & no one will get punished for the usual 'transgressions' which occur at every point of a normal road race stage in cycling.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

So is it your contention that rules should never be applied at all, or that they should only be applied when they will have no consequence?

 

[Rackham]

So is it your contention that rules should never be applied at all, or that they should only be applied when they will have no consequence?

They should be applied consistently across the board or not at all. Especially for something so trivial which didn't violate the fairness of proceedings.

But don't mess with GC one week from Madrid on a technicality. Not when (as I've said a billion times already) sticky bottles, irregular behavior in the bunch and all that cr*p goes completely unpunished everywhere.

Absolutely no one applauding this decision this evening can say with a straight face the rules are enforced equally every day in this Grand Tour no matter the rider or the infringement. It just doesn't happen.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Even without Abi making the same post 20 times over, there sure are a lot of completely unwarranted fanboy tears in this thread...

 

[dobrien]

 

[red_flanders]