Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2024, stage 21: Madrid - Madrid, 24.6k (ITT)

[tobydawq]

Surely Skjelmose is a strong enough TTer to defend a 68 second advantage over Lipowitz. I would think that Mas taking second is about 75% likely, but no other changes in the top 10 (or, barring Yates catching Dunbar, in the top 25)

Wut, Skjelmose will surpass Gaudu, no problem?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Yeah: I saw that one subsequently (thanks to @triley36 )

 

[saunaking]

Is Mas even better than O'Connor in a TT? Hoping O'Connor blows Mas up tomorrow.
Their head to head in flat TTs suggest O'Connor has a fighting chance.
Don't know what happened in the stage 1 TT, O'Connor really had a shocker.

I'm pulling for O'Connor and think he will smash it. Decathlon are a new force this year!

#	Date	Race			Enric Mas			Ben O'Connor	Profile	Distance
1	2024-08-17	La Vuelta Ciclista a España | Stage 1 (ITT)			32			58		12
2	2024-03-04	Tirreno-Adriatico | Stage 1 (ITT)			43			22		10
3	2023-06-07	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			55			5		31.1
4	2023-03-06	Tirreno-Adriatico | Stage 1 (ITT)			23			17		11.5
5	2022-08-30	La Vuelta ciclista a España | Stage 10 (ITT)			9			11		30.9
6	2022-08-19	La Vuelta ciclista a España | Stage 1 (TTT)			10			13		23.3
7	2022-07-01	Tour de France | Stage 1 (ITT)			67			78		13.2
8	2022-06-08	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			19			14		31.9
9	2021-07-17	Tour de France | Stage 20 (ITT)			27			31		30.8
10	2021-06-30	Tour de France | Stage 5 (ITT)			26			31		27.2
11	2021-06-02	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			46			13		16.4
12	2021-04-05	Itzulia Basque Country | Stage 1 (ITT)			56			88		13.89
13	2017-06-07	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			54			57		23.5
14	2017-03-21	Volta Ciclista a Catalunya | Stage 2 (TTT)			10			19		41.3
15	2016-07-27	Tour Alsace | Prologue			52			90		7.1
16	2016-06-18	Tour de Savoie Mont Blanc | Stage 4 (ITT)			3			18		7.5

 

[tobydawq]

Is Mas even better than O'Connor in a TT? Hoping O'Connor blows Mas up tomorrow.
Their head to head in flat TTs suggest O'Connor has a fighting chance.
Don't know what happened in the stage 1 TT, O'Connor really had a shocker.

I'm pulling for O'Connor and think he will smash it. Decathlon are a new force this year!

#	Date	Race			Enric Mas			Ben O'Connor	Profile	Distance
1	2024-08-17	La Vuelta Ciclista a España | Stage 1 (ITT)			32			58		12
2	2024-03-04	Tirreno-Adriatico | Stage 1 (ITT)			43			22		10
3	2023-06-07	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			55			5		31.1
4	2023-03-06	Tirreno-Adriatico | Stage 1 (ITT)			23			17		11.5
5	2022-08-30	La Vuelta ciclista a España | Stage 10 (ITT)			9			11		30.9
6	2022-08-19	La Vuelta ciclista a España | Stage 1 (TTT)			10			13		23.3
7	2022-07-01	Tour de France | Stage 1 (ITT)			67			78		13.2
8	2022-06-08	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			19			14		31.9
9	2021-07-17	Tour de France | Stage 20 (ITT)			27			31		30.8
10	2021-06-30	Tour de France | Stage 5 (ITT)			26			31		27.2
11	2021-06-02	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			46			13		16.4
12	2021-04-05	Itzulia Basque Country | Stage 1 (ITT)			56			88		13.89
13	2017-06-07	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			54			57		23.5
14	2017-03-21	Volta Ciclista a Catalunya | Stage 2 (TTT)			10			19		41.3
15	2016-07-27	Tour Alsace | Prologue			52			90		7.1
16	2016-06-18	Tour de Savoie Mont Blanc | Stage 4 (ITT)			3			18		7.5

I certainly expect O'Connor to beat Mas?

 

[search]

I'd think O'Connor is better than Mas, but not necessarily in Spain.

Küng didn't look great anymore the past week, and normally a late ITT favors GC guys. But it's not like there are many with a chance indeed. And McNulty looked even worse.

 

[Lequack]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1832513006543990837

View: https://x.com/VelonCC/status/1832513006543990837

 

[Samamba]

Never mind, Stefan's luck would of course have it so that the wind direction changes dramatically to favour the latest starters...

This indeed seems to be the case. More tailwind for late starters, cross or even some headwind for earlier starters. So it's not going to be a fair TT.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Question is if Gaudu will be able to keep Lipowitz behind him. In the opening time trial of this race, Gaudu lost around 2.5 seconds per km to the German, but in the one in Romandie, which was harder, the difference was 3 seconds. However Lipowitz will have to claw back 4 seconds pr km tomorrow, so the 16 seconds Gaudu gained on him today may possibly have decided that battle, although Lipowitz TT level after 3 weeks is still unknown, and a complete Gaudu disaster wouldn't really come as a surprise.

 

[Oldermanish]

Is Mas even better than O'Connor in a TT? Hoping O'Connor blows Mas up tomorrow.
Their head to head in flat TTs suggest O'Connor has a fighting chance.
Don't know what happened in the stage 1 TT, O'Connor really had a shocker.

I'm pulling for O'Connor and think he will smash it. Decathlon are a new force this year!

#	Date	Race			Enric Mas			Ben O'Connor	Profile	Distance
1	2024-08-17	La Vuelta Ciclista a España | Stage 1 (ITT)			32			58		12
2	2024-03-04	Tirreno-Adriatico | Stage 1 (ITT)			43			22		10
3	2023-06-07	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			55			5		31.1
4	2023-03-06	Tirreno-Adriatico | Stage 1 (ITT)			23			17		11.5
5	2022-08-30	La Vuelta ciclista a España | Stage 10 (ITT)			9			11		30.9
6	2022-08-19	La Vuelta ciclista a España | Stage 1 (TTT)			10			13		23.3
7	2022-07-01	Tour de France | Stage 1 (ITT)			67			78		13.2
8	2022-06-08	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			19			14		31.9
9	2021-07-17	Tour de France | Stage 20 (ITT)			27			31		30.8
10	2021-06-30	Tour de France | Stage 5 (ITT)			26			31		27.2
11	2021-06-02	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			46			13		16.4
12	2021-04-05	Itzulia Basque Country | Stage 1 (ITT)			56			88		13.89
13	2017-06-07	Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 4 (ITT)			54			57		23.5
14	2017-03-21	Volta Ciclista a Catalunya | Stage 2 (TTT)			10			19		41.3
15	2016-07-27	Tour Alsace | Prologue			52			90		7.1
16	2016-06-18	Tour de Savoie Mont Blanc | Stage 4 (ITT)			3			18		7.5

Using comparisons from prior races seems to reinforce the current trend favors Mas. Doesn't matter what happened 6 months ago. Form in a GT is what you have now. I'd give them even chances which makes it very exciting.

 

[Tonton]

Question is if Gaudu will be able to keep Lipowitz behind him. In the opening time trial of this race, Gaudu lost around 2.5 seconds per km to the German, but in the one in Romandie, which was harder, the difference was 3 seconds. However Lipowitz will have to claw back 4 seconds pr km tomorrow, so the 16 seconds Gaudu gained on him today may possibly have decided that battle, although Lipowitz TT level after 3 weeks is still unknown, and a complete Gaudu disaster wouldn't really come as a surprise.

Meh, meh, meh...how will the riders feel after today? I would argue that Gaudu finished the stage fresher than the other two, who were exposed and played yo-yo, agonized in the final.

Primoz has the bag. Ben vs. Enric is a tough call. Interesting. I will watch.

Of course, I want the Swiss and FDJ to win. Allez Stefan!

 

[SHAD0W93]

Also, where do you folks think Almeida would end up on the GC if he didn't get sick?

Second without issue but with around the same time gap as O’Connor currently to Roglic but the others are further behind due to Roglic getting more time over Almeida to be safe for the TT.

2nd Almeida 2 mins back, O’Connor and Mas 3-4 mins back.

 

[tobydawq]

Using comparisons from prior races seems to reinforce the current trend favors Mas. Doesn't matter what happened 6 months ago. Form in a GT is what you have now. I'd give them even chances which makes it very exciting.

For TT comparisons, of course it matters...


Or do you think Berrade will beat Skjelmose tomorrow?

 

[nightowl]

For TT comparisons, of course it matters...


Or do you think Berrade will beat Skjelmose tomorrow?

He was only 8 seconds slower on stage 1 so I wouldn’t rule it out entirely

 

[Mako]

The negative profile should benefit a heavy rider like King Küng.

 

[Roku]

Surely Skjelmose is a strong enough TTer to defend a 68 second advantage over Lipowitz for white.

I would think that Mas taking second is about 75% likely, and Skjelmose catching Gaudu is about 40%, but no other changes in the top 10 (or, barring Yates catching Dunbar, in the top 25)

O'Connor is much better TTer than Mas. He should maintain the second place.

 

[Didinho]

McNulty to sandwich this Vuelta.

 

[ice&fire]

O'Connor vs Mas timetrials which the both raced

All I get from this is that Mas is systematically better at GT ITTs and a disaster at Dauphiné ITTs

 

[Tricycle Rider]

McNulty to sandwich this Vuelta.

I'd be happy with either a McNulty or Campenaerts win, and for Primoz to stay upright. That's my wish list for today.

 

[Rackham]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1832753736457801986

View: https://x.com/As_Ciclismo/status/1832753736457801986

 

[search]

Maybe it was today not sure, but he was sick 2 days ago so it could also definitely just him not feeling well. But hopefully it's indeed just saving energy and he can do a good TT tomorrow. Doubt he'll be able to win tho, he hasn't had his Tour legs this Vuelta. His first TT was also bad.

Campenaerts says he is fine again and just saved himself yesterday.

Primoz Roglic snelt in slottijdrit probleemloos naar vierde Vuelta-winst, Küng pakt de etappe

Primoz Roglic (34) heeft zijn vierde <a href="https://www.hln.be/vuelta" target="_blank">Vuelta</a>-overwinning op zijn naam geschreven. In de afsluitende tijdrit liep hij zelfs nog uit op de andere klassementsmannen. Stefan Küng (30) was dan weer de winnaar van de race tegen de klok en heeft zo...

www.hln.be

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Campenaerts says he is fine again and just saved himself yesterday.

Primoz Roglic snelt in slottijdrit probleemloos naar vierde Vuelta-winst, Küng pakt de etappe

Primoz Roglic (34) heeft zijn vierde <a href="https://www.hln.be/vuelta" target="_blank">Vuelta</a>-overwinning op zijn naam geschreven. In de afsluitende tijdrit liep hij zelfs nog uit op de andere klassementsmannen. Stefan Küng (30) was dan weer de winnaar van de race tegen de klok en heeft zo...

www.hln.be

The English translation said Victor has been freed from diarrhea, I'm happy to hear Víctor has been "freed" from diarrhea as well! 🤣

 

[KZD]

Nice to see the Vuelta finishing with a TT instead of a sprint stage.

I think its between Kung, McNulty and Roglic but I am going with the American for the win.

 

[Potomac]

These start times are outrageously late.
Don't they know they will overlap the NFL?

 

[Peyroteo94]

These start times are outrageously late.
Don't they know they will overlap the NFL?

Who cares about NFL other than americans. That stupid sport called "football" is only viewed by americans.

 

[mariosommelier]

Who cares about NFL other than americans. That stupid sport called "football" is only viewed by americans.

Nailed it.