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Great stage and great Roglic!

He is a very regular rider with hihj level, of course, he is already history at La Vuelta a España, and can make more this year.

But when I mean he is nor for me part of the group of extraterrestrials of this era is becouse it doesnt matter how strong Enric Mas can be, if Pogacar or Vibgegaard are at his best, they put today some seconbd to him. end evenepoel is not just good at stage races, he can do crazy thiongs like at the Olimpics. it is normal at him. It is not the same how Roglic won today than how Evenepoel, Pogacar, Van der Poel wins, and sometimes Van Aert, in very different situations...Necouse ha can be second with Van der Poel, but very close, and to win a mountain stage, and Vingegaard is maybe the best today for gran Tours, if he is at his best,and even this year ag¡fter his crash, a point at least above Roglic at le Tour.

Of course it has big merit Roglic is always there, almost winning le Tour, winning il Giro, and winning year by year la Vuelta, with differents rivals... but I hope you understand whay I mean.
 
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Samamba said:
He was definitely behind the crash. Nowhere to be seen before even Van Eetvelt turned the first left hander on the climb. Most riders got held up. Was he going to win, no that seems very very unlikely so riding like that was a bit weird (but I always have something like why not, you're not in front anyways), but he would've done better normally.
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Woods' Strava file is up now, and he indeed had to stop:

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There may be an (even) better comparison than Taaramäe available later on.
 
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perico said:
Look at the Vuelta preview on the main page. Al Fotheringham didnt mention Más among his contenders. The other one mentioned him among the long shots behind guys like del Toro.
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That doesn’t contradict what Devil’s Elbow said about the posters on here. Many were saying in the last week of the Tour that Mas was on target to be sharp in this Vuelta.
 
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Taxus4a said:
Great stage and great Roglic!

He is a very regular rider with hihj level, of course, he is already history at La Vuelta a España, and can make more this year.

But when I mean he is nor for me part of the group of extraterrestrials of this era is becouse it doesnt matter how strong Enric Mas can be, if Pogacar or Vibgegaard are at his best, they put today some seconbd to him. end evenepoel is not just good at stage races, he can do crazy thiongs like at the Olimpics. it is normal at him. It is not the same how Roglic won today than how Evenepoel, Pogacar, Van der Poel wins, and sometimes Van Aert, in very different situations...Necouse ha can be second with Van der Poel, but very close, and to win a mountain stage, and Vingegaard is maybe the best today for gran Tours, if he is at his best,and even this year ag¡fter his crash, a point at least above Roglic at le Tour.

Of course it has big merit Roglic is always there, almost winning le Tour, winning il Giro, and winning year by year la Vuelta, with differents rivals... but I hope you understand whay I mean.
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You kind of missed a turn here, big boy.
 
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Didinho said:
Pogi could’ve got the triple easily this season.

Roglic another stomp, looks really in control and strong enough to fight his way back to O’Connor. Mas is always a different beast in the Vuelta, hope he can surprise in the end.
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I'd say this is the Roglic that could match Pogacar we'd all hoped would show at the Tour. Tomorrow and several more long days will confirm what his true aggressive form could be like since there is little opportunity to satisfy those alternate fans hating on "wheelsucking". It'll be hammer down until he owns minutes on the opposition.
UAE may rally; they don't have to work as much as Bora and Movistar so there's that opportunity. If what's being said about C-19 among the team then they are done which could make Bora's job tougher without an organized adversary other than Movistar. It'll be fun to watch.
 
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Didinho said:
Pogi could’ve got the triple easily this season.

Roglic another stomp, looks really in control and strong enough to fight his way back to O’Connor. Mas is always a different beast in the Vuelta, hope he can surprise in the end.
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I really don’t think Pogacar would have the same charge in his legs in this awful heat (in addition to two tours). I don’t doubt he could have won, but he would have struggled more.
 
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O Connor:

He can pay he is novel in this situation. But he has a good ally on Felix Gall.
When you get a break as he did 2 days ago, and the rest of the leaders didnt pull, of course you are going to pay that effort next days. Yesterday was a shor effort and he was there, but they didnt get him a relax day. Today finally he lost time, but not too much. Israel made hard the stage for nothing, at usual.
He has still lot of advantage and tomorrow he could even to lose the jersay or to lose just one minute. In this case he would be a clear favourite for the podium and still possible to win la Vuelta.
I am with Landa, he looks great and hot is not his weather and this is crazy hot day by day. For mas hot is his paradise, but at the end of la Vuelta Landa has stages very close to his land, He lives with his wife close to Villarcayo (Burgos), when starts Picon Blanco stage (maybe Queen stage). A stage start in Vitoria, and
another one has a little at Alava as well, and that day I will be at pradilla climb to support him
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Taxus4a said:
O Connor:

He can pay he is novel in this situation. But he has a good ally on Felix Gall.
When you get a break as he did 2 days ago, and the rest of the leaders didnt pull, of course you are going to pay that effort next days. Yesterday was a shor effort and he was there, but they didnt get him a relax day. Today finally he lost time, but not too much. Israel made hard the stage for nothing, at usual.
He has still lot of advantage and tomorrow he could even to lose the jersay or to lose just one minute. In this case he would be a clear favourite for the podium and still possible to win la Vuelta.
I am with Landa, he looks great and hot is not his weather and this is crazy hot day by day. For mas hot is his paradise, but at the end of la Vuelta Landa has stages very close to his land, He lives with his wife close to Villarcayo (Burgos), when starts Picon Blanco stage (maybe Queen stage). A stage start in Vitoria, and
another one has a little at Alava as well, and that day I will be at pradilla climb to support him
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Tour had 30° stages, he still cooked everyone
 
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Lequack said:
I really think Ayuso would be doing pretty good by now.
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UAE decision now is to make lemonade w available lemons. Del Toro ,20 finishing near the front everyday so far, suddenly best GC position for UAE, what's to lose in giving him some full support for a few days . At the base of GC 8th-20th a good day could have them make top 10, maybe higher overall, Lots of racing left to go.. Do you try and salvage something for Yates or Amedia? Do you look at Pavel Sivakov, riding well, probably a little stronger than Del Toro, certainly more experienced..
I hope that UAE tries to push one of the two up a little, both are going well so far. Don't know what history or scouting identified Jay Vine as ready.. Maybe McNulty has something left for a good day..?
 
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Unchained said:
UAE decision now is to make lemonade w available lemons. Del Toro ,20 finishing near the front everyday so far, suddenly best GC position for UAE, what's to lose in giving him some full support for a few days . At the base of GC 8th-20th a good day could have them make top 10, maybe higher overall, Lots of racing left to go.. Do you try and salvage something for Yates or Amedia? Do you look at Pavel Sivakov, riding well, probably a little stronger than Del Toro, certainly more experienced..
I hope that UAE tries to push one of the two up a little, both are going well so far. Don't know what history or scouting identified Jay Vine as ready.. Maybe McNulty has something left for a good day..?
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They really have to support del toro. He can’t win. But the experience is the goal
 
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They really have to support del toro. He can’t win. But the experience is the goal
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Just for perspective, for many watching the race feeds look to have 6+ bottles per, regular stuff, gels and additional bags of ice, riders putting between neck and jersey. Also getting car support with bottles in the jersey pockets, and fill your own cages while you are at the car, Del Toro has been doing 75% of the donkey water hauling and still finishing ok and making a tough selection on O'Connor holiday race. He sort of squirted to the field sprint, if you call it that. I don't want to describe not getting Covid as a quality, but he has dodged it so far it would seem.
All things being equal.. If O'Connor can win so can Del Toro if the planets align for him like they did in Australia and for the Australian!! Long shot no doubt.. but you gotta dream!!
 
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