Vuelta al País Vasco 4–9 April 2016

[Red Rick]

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To think that Kirby gets paid to commentate

I'd willingly pay him not to commentate.

This being your first post makes it even more hilarious. Welcome

 

[Red Rick]

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Put Froome and Henao on Cauberg and Henao will beat him 10 times out of 10.
I'm also a Froome fan, but c'mon, in climbs like Huy or Aia he isn't better than the likes of Henao, Purito or Piti. I think they are on par. But Henao has the better punch.

Put Henao in that 2015-Tour and he would probably end up with Quintana and Valverde. Purito and Froome was in a class of their own Huy

I don't really think so. It's probably really hard to say. I think the training is probably a little bit different. IIRC, Valverde set the record on the Mur de Huy last year, or in 2014. In anyway, he wasn't anywhere close in that Tour stage compared to his april times, and yet he was climbing better than ever in the third week of the Tour.

It doesn't really matter, point is, when Froome is at 100%, he can climb as well as anybody on any climb. I think Mur de Huy showed that.

Yup, context doesn't matter.

 

[TomLPC]

Wow, just had a look, Froomes tour time on the mur with Jrod was 8 seconds off the all time record, pretty stunning

 

[blackmamba]

Wow, just had a look, Froomes tour time on the mur with Jrod was 8 seconds off the all time record, pretty stunning

Not exactly when you take into consideration that a guy like Van Garderen is only 8 sec behind on such a climb it doesnt exactly make my eyes pop out.

 

[Billie]

well the stage was stopped an hour earlier so it were not normal circumstances.

 

[Taxus4a]

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well the stage was stopped an hour earlier so it were not normal circumstances.

Fleche Valone is a harder race.

 

[Taxus4a]

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http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27941

Do you think that TVG is better for those kind of climbs, as Huy, than Yates or Arredondo? In a stage of le Tour there are a lot of things that count, it is not just the kind of finish.

Dont mix up stuff to make it look better for your case, form is the key word here! If Henao and Froome is both at their best in SUCH a finish Henao got the advantage.

You show dont know a lot about cycling if you thing in 200 Km just is important the end, or the big fatigue there is in a flat stage in le Tour.

When a flat or semiflat stage in le Tour finish in a climb for powerfull people, whay you show in that climb is mainly how well you have gone in the flat at those speed and with that extrees created for the wind and the position. of course is important how you do in the kind of finish, but it is not the only thing. Froome is a point, maybe two, above Henao as cyclist and that is going to be showed in all the scenaries. if henao is the ame fresh in a climb as Huy or cauberg is going to be better tan Froome, but cycling doesnt work that way.

And what Froome showed in La pierre is not that he is a better climber than Quintana, but he get that day fresher than the rest after a week fighteen againts the wind and position. With more mountains stages, climbers start to be at his level with people as Froome...

 

[blackmamba]

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http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27941

Do you think that TVG is better for those kind of climbs, as Huy, than Yates or Arredondo? In a stage of le Tour there are a lot of things that count, it is not just the kind of finish.

Dont mix up stuff to make it look better for your case, form is the key word here! If Henao and Froome is both at their best in SUCH a finish Henao got the advantage.

You show dont know a lot about cycling if you thing in 200 Km just is important the end, or the big fatigue there is in a flat stage in le Tour.

When a flat or semiflat stage in le Tour finish in a climb for powerfull people, whay you show in that climb is mainly how well you have gone in the flat at those speed and with that extrees created for the wind and the position. of course is important how you do in the kind of finish, but it is not the only thing. Froome is a point, maybe two, above Henao as cyclist and that is going to be showed in all the scenaries. if henao is the ame fresh in a climb as Huy or cauberg is going to be better tan Froome, but cycling doesnt work that way.

And what Froome showed in La pierre is not that he is a better climber than Quintana, but he get that day fresher than the rest after a week fighteen againts the wind and position. With more mountains stages, climbers start to be at his level with people as Froome...

Dude your arguing over something I did not say!

I get what your saying and im not arguing about that stuff at all cause I know very well the importance of all those little things in the big picture and how it adds up and how much effect it has on the outcome!

But I said ''Henao vs Froome both at their best in a finish like that Henao got the advantage'' nothing else I by that obvious meant both at their best, by both beeing peak form and equally fresh going in Henao would have the advantage.

Stop putting words in my mouth im not drunk enough to get things showed in my mouth today!

 

[Tonton]

Is Froome racing the VaPV or did I miss something . Not the right thread, my friends.

Tomorrow is huge on many levels: Bertie getting a GC under his belt, Henao winning a race that was said to be perfectly set for him, Pinot getting a big quality win. And also Purito showing that he's not done. A four-man race. It turned out to be a great design, every stage was big with a big winner, Rosa's celebration today was grandiose, the final chapter has yet to be written.

It's early in the year but Bertie is feisty, proving that he can stretch a top-notch field, building up for July. Getting his head and confidence where they need to be. Others have more at stake: Purito needs to stay relevant. Thibaut winning this race would be absolutely huge. He's a guy who crashed at age 15, spent the summer with both arms in a cast. When confident, he's a killer. Pinot has won on the Grand Colombier, and that is a test of torture. Tibopino is as good as anyone not mentioned in the Clinic. Can he do it?

Bertie is the favorite. But he's retiring, so Flo may soon become a fan of the good looking French guy .

Go Thibaut!

 

[SeriousSam]

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Put Froome and Henao on Cauberg and Henao will beat him 10 times out of 10.
I'm also a Froome fan, but c'mon, in climbs like Huy or Aia he isn't better than the likes of Henao, Purito or Piti. I think they are on par. But Henao has the better punch.

Put Henao in that 2015-Tour and he would probably end up with Quintana and Valverde. Purito and Froome was in a class of their own Huy

I don't really think so. It's probably really hard to say. I think the training is probably a little bit different. IIRC, Valverde set the record on the Mur de Huy last year, or in 2014. In anyway, he wasn't anywhere close in that Tour stage compared to his april times, and yet he was climbing better than ever in the third week of the Tour.

I was (retroactively) surprised Valverde was nowhere in that stage given that he was a consistent top climber third to only Froome and Quinana for 3 weeks and dominated FW earlier.

I guess it's a combination of the different demands of stage racing and a singular focus on GC.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Put Froome and Henao on Cauberg and Henao will beat him 10 times out of 10.
I'm also a Froome fan, but c'mon, in climbs like Huy or Aia he isn't better than the likes of Henao, Purito or Piti. I think they are on par. But Henao has the better punch.

Put Henao in that 2015-Tour and he would probably end up with Quintana and Valverde. Purito and Froome was in a class of their own Huy

I don't really think so. It's probably really hard to say. I think the training is probably a little bit different. IIRC, Valverde set the record on the Mur de Huy last year, or in 2014. In anyway, he wasn't anywhere close in that Tour stage compared to his april times, and yet he was climbing better than ever in the third week of the Tour.

It doesn't really matter, point is, when Froome is at 100%, he can climb as well as anybody on any climb. I think Mur de Huy showed that.

I look forward to seeing Froome win all the ardennes then

 

[TomLPC]

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well the stage was stopped an hour earlier so it were not normal circumstances.

Fleche Valone is a harder race.

True yes, but you would also have to consider the accumulated fatigue from the previous days stage to Zélande, which was all out, whereas when they ride Fleche they usually have a few days to recover from Amstel, so it wasn't as though the conditions were perfect for that time

Put Froome and Henao on Cauberg and Henao will beat him 10 times out of 10.
I'm also a Froome fan, but c'mon, in climbs like Huy or Aia he isn't better than the likes of Henao, Purito or Piti. I think they are on par. But Henao has the better punch.

Put Henao in that 2015-Tour and he would probably end up with Quintana and Valverde. Purito and Froome was in a class of their own Huy

I don't really think so. It's probably really hard to say. I think the training is probably a little bit different. IIRC, Valverde set the record on the Mur de Huy last year, or in 2014. In anyway, he wasn't anywhere close in that Tour stage compared to his april times, and yet he was climbing better than ever in the third week of the Tour.

It doesn't really matter, point is, when Froome is at 100%, he can climb as well as anybody on any climb. I think Mur de Huy showed that.

I look forward to seeing Froome win all the ardennes then

If being the best climber were all it took to win the ardennes races they wouldn't be classics

 

[LaFlorecita]

Bertie is the favorite. But he's retiring, so Flo may soon become a fan of the good looking French guy .

Go Thibaut!

I am already a fan, if he beats Alberto today I will momentarily hate him though

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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Ha ha KIrby " A hugh day and dominated by one man Si Clarke...what a guy he is " OMG

For all the mistakes he makes, let's be fair to him: he was talking about Rosa, and then his heartthrob Clarke came onto the screen (as he thought: it was of course Craddock).

He may have meant differently but that is exactly what he said ....unbelievable

Not exactly what he said: he would have said 'huge' rather than 'hugh' (or 'Hugh').

Spoken language is subject to interruption, and punctuation is not always vocalised. He can indeed be very stupid, but be fair to him in trying to identify evidence of such stupidity.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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Kirby posed the question "Will Reichenbach win a GT with FDJ or will he have to move to another team?"

Genius

I think that someone e-mailed that question to him, which I interpreted as a brilliant wind up that CK didn't recognise as such.

 

[del1962]

Is Froome racing the VaPV or did I miss something . Not the right thread, my friends.

Tomorrow is huge on many levels: Bertie getting a GC under his belt, Henao winning a race that was said to be perfectly set for him, Pinot getting a big quality win. And also Purito showing that he's not done. A four-man race. It turned out to be a great design, every stage was big with a big winner, Rosa's celebration today was grandiose, the final chapter has yet to be written.

It's early in the year but Bertie is feisty, proving that he can stretch a top-notch field, building up for July. Getting his head and confidence where they need to be. Others have more at stake: Purito needs to stay relevant. Thibaut winning this race would be absolutely huge. He's a guy who crashed at age 15, spent the summer with both arms in a cast. When confident, he's a killer. Pinot has won on the Grand Colombier, and that is a test of torture. Tibopino is as good as anyone not mentioned in the Clinic. Can he do it?

Bertie is the favorite. But he's retiring, so Flo may soon become a fan of the good looking French guy .

Go Thibaut!

Do what get a mention in the clinic?

Anyway I fear in the ITT the technical desent may be his achilles heal

 

[Ricco']

I want Henao to win this but I have to be realist and say that Contador is the favourite.

Nevertheless, Henao lost 17 seconds to Tom Dumoulin and 12 to Ion Izagirre last year with 11km of power downhill and flat right from the beginning, so in normal conditions with 5k's of flat after the climb, he should lose less time, it's gonna be very close.

And in Paris - Nice's prologue, lost 10 seconds to Contador in 6k's. I wouldn't be surprised if in the final GC they were with the same time.

 

[Red Rick]

First time split will say a lot. Contador nearly always has the fastest time split if a tt starts uphill

 

[Arredondo]

Images of today's climb of Arrate, with amigo Amets.

http://www.eitb.eus/es/deportes/ciclismo/vuelta-al-pais-vasco/videos/detalle/3946714/video-itzulia-2016-txurruka-sube-arrate-azitain-/

 

[Vasilis]

Henao actually said that this year's TT suits him better than last year's.

 

[Red Rick]

What are the starting times?

 

[blackmamba]

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What are the starting times?

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/orden-de-salida-de-la-decisiva-cri-de-la-vuelta-al-pais-vasco-08-04-2016

 

[slosada]

http://www.itzulia.eus/en/2016/6/live/
How much time does Henao need on top of the hill? I'm guessing 15 seconds

 

[LaFlorecita]

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http://www.itzulia.eus/en/2016/6/live/
How much time does Henao need on top of the hill? I'm guessing 15 seconds

10 seconds should be more than enough, that's 16 seconds total

 

[Taxus4a]

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I want Henao to win this but I have to be realist and say that Contador is the favourite.

Nevertheless, Henao lost 17 seconds to Tom Dumoulin and 12 to Ion Izagirre last year with 11km of power downhill and flat right from the beginning, so in normal conditions with 5k's of flat after the climb, he should lose less time, it's gonna be very close.

And in Paris - Nice's prologue, lost 10 seconds to Contador in 6k's. I wouldn't be surprised if in the final GC they were with the same time.

He has 6 seconds advantage and the reference. it is for that he has some options. You never knows, a goodday in such hard climb could be lot of seconds.

The 5 Km flat...are no so techinical... the downhill roads, just little downhill are to going really fast, there is even an stecht similar to pavé, but pedestrial pavement, very good one, not really pavé, at 1 km to the end.

But what it is important, there is a second climb there...in the profile it is looks just like a very little climb, but there is 55 metters ascent, so is like some climbs is the Ronde, it is about 600 m,so it is about 9 percent climb. Later a wide road, little bit descent with 2 tunnels. I dont see important corners to brake in those 5 Km, maybe one if they go to 60 Km/h they must brake, and the last Km after the narrow street with "pavé" is a little bit uphill, maybe 1 % , 2 % at the begining.

The decenst has 2 dangerous corners, and it is in general quite technical.

There is as well one km of flat at the begining before the climb. The ITT has terrain for all kind of riders, but the climb to Arrate is so hard by that side that is by far the most decissive part.